sorrry Tsel, i absolutly disagree here.
Jesus was speaking to the Jews not to the goyim.
It is only 20 or 30 years after his death that some of his disciples were interested by trying to "save" Gentles. Well and in the beginning it was not without opposition in the first christian "church" (see polemics between James and Saül/Paul, and James and Shimon/Peter, or even between Paul and Peter).
If you have a close look to the 4 traditionnal evangelists for christian faiths
Matthew is a traditional Jew not to open to the Gentles.
John is an esoteric, not to open to Gentles either. And it's about same time that the writing of the major parts of the Talmud... not really an hazard i think.
Luke... well was a Greek so a Gentle. Also Paul's disciples and probably one of the inventors of this idea of "universal salute", but his evangile was one of the later,err no but he was one of those who didn't know Jesus.
Mark...? very little to say about him in this aspect.
But Jesus himshelf was speaking to Jews and to Jews only.
My point is that this distinction between christian faith as "universal" and jewish faith as "nation-based" "elitist" is a posteriori and is born some years, decades after the facts (well for what we can know about the facts, 2000 years later, very little)... Anyway in Ist Century BC- Ist Century AC Jewish (until the destruction of the Temple 70 AC.) Jewish Nation had a tendancy to universal (don't forget proselits... as I'm near sure you know what the word means).
ok maybe i'm just pointing out the danger of a nut shell.
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