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As an atheist from jewish origin i offer my condolences to all christian and catholics people here.

yes i know. The pope is not yet officially dead. But it may be he is, or it may be a question of days know. If i'm Wrong i will apologize publicly.

Well i think that there is worst than death, so in a way it is the best i wish to a person (Carol Wojtila) i wasn't agreeing with for many points but stillhe was one of the "world leader" i could respect.

MG

hey MG <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

I was told you're gone. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif" alt="" />

As for the pope...
I'm an atheist too... and at the moment getting anoyed with all those newsflashes...
like
*the pope died*
5 minutes later
*no the pope isn't dead, but he's very sick*
5 minutes later
*the pope died*
5 minutes later
*we're getting very confusing messages from the vatican*
5 minutes later
*we still dunno, but we'll try to be first to tell you when he's dead*

Then I'm like... ok, stop interupting normal radio and tv broadcast and dedicate your entire evening to the pope.
geezzz
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who told you that?... well err...no!!! not that i'm overpresent and it won't change for some time... really busy for now.

as for the pope... yes i agree with you seth how surprising it could seem... it is at least ten years that he's ill and dying and there is for some months an overmediating thing about his programmed death...

but still... well it doesn't change anything to my first message...
hmm i don't think it is an April fool day here...

well i may be wrong though

Yep i told him !
In a private message i said : "I am so happy MG is gone".

And for the Pope, i am a true catholic but i don't care.
After JP we will have a new Pope so why bothering about the old one.

@ Setharmon
In France all the radios and TV are complaining about the bad health of the Pope and when they stop talking about the Pope, they begin to complain about the bad health of the Prince Rainier of Monaco.

I stopped listening to the radio and looking at the TV and i am playing Imprunner.
It's more fun. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/XmasJump.gif" alt="" />

Barta

Personally I don't see what all the fuss is about. He is just another old man, appointed to be a pope. There is nothing holy about him. [color:"orange"] I mean no offence here [/color] , but let's face it, he is old and worn out. I just hope he don't have to suffer to much before he goes. After all, he was a good man.
My great-auntie (sister of my grandfather) was a very devoted nun. When she died two years ago, she was happy to see her brothers again in Hungary. (Her two brothers died a few months before her, all 3 of them were born in Boudapest)
People like her and the pope are from the same kind, they give their life for their believes, and when they die they are just closer to God.
But what bothers me, are the media and all the news around it. It's kind a like Seth already said before.
[color:"orange"] I don't want to hurt anyone [/color] , everyone has his own believes and thinks otherwise about stuff. But I hope I can have a oppinion of my own without getting into trouble. I put the most important lines in color so anyone who reads this, would see that I really mean no offence.
It's just my humble opinion.

i knew it... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />

well we will see your topics about lies and liers tomorrow?
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@ MG

It is not a lie ! This is a copy/paste of my words :


You know when you are away, people are talking behind your back.
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Barta

i really hope so!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

If an islam religious leader dies, he might get metioned in the news here, but when the catholic pope dies... oh my! 24/7 newsflashes. No offence but this is rediculous, I'm atheïst and frankly I don't care about the pope dying, there are many great poeple, that have done so much for humanity but their death never came in the media... what about them? Why does the pope deserve so much airtime? I agree it has to be told, but not like this!

It's the same with some artists, they become great, come in the media then quit... years you don't hear a word about them till they die, I find that very morbid that media are only interested when poeple die. Or are very ill.

This is so bad that some "interesting" newsflashes are completly scrapped.

For all those who do feel connected with JP, my condolences for the loss of a leader, for those who don't my condolences for the loss of maybe more optemistic news if that exists.

erm... sorry drag but that's not entirely true... when an islam religious leader (even an european one) dies it is very rarely mentioned in the news in europe except when he had also some official civil politics power or if he's murdered...
but even if it's a bit hippocrit it may be explained in the fact that islam is not a truly 'historical religion in europe'... well that's not absolutly true (nor absolutly false either), but it is perceived like that by many anyway.

but well... overmediatisation is one thing, fact that is behind another.

heh? didn't I say might get mentioned? proposing it's not commonly done. The religious history is one thing, the fact that islam are well represented in europe these days and still almost nothing...

I am not Catholic, but I have gone to mass several times, and I think that JPII is a good person.

Personally, if he is a Holy person, I think he'd be a hell of alot happier dead, with God, then in the world. So we should be happy for him! But I don't want him to suffer alot.

Then there is all that afterlife-shiz and weird stuff that no ones sure about... But I don't think he should get alot of time on the news, but he deserves some. So do Islamic leaders though.

I agree and I don't agree

this is not because one religious leader death is overmediatised that all religious leaders (from other religions) deaths should be overmediatised...

and i must say i'm more shocked about the "no mediatisation" of immigration (and not only islam) in our culture than with the "no mediatisation" of the death of one religious leader or another... but that's another problem, IMHO.

ok that's not really what you said...

anyway the main reason i opened this topic was because this pope had a reput out of the church as much as in the church which is not the case of the main european islam or judaism leaders... I'm not even sure it was the case from ayatollah khomeyni by example whom the dath was IIRC well overmediatised... (maybe not to this point because it is still true Teheran is not Rom for an european and especially for an european journalist but still...)

I have never thought about it, but you are exactly right. Death is all the news covers it seems. Our news stories spend hours analyzing stories like Terri Schiavo and the Pope. Really sad actually.

Agree with you both. It's sad, and more than that... unwholesome, I'd say. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

[color:"orange"] Death is all the news covers it seems. Our news stories spend hours analyzing stories like Terri Schiavo and the Pope. [/color] : These stories are also a lot about religion and ethics...

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Well there are only two Popes left according
to the St Malachy prophecies.


Gloria Olivae

and

Petrus Romanus


Tsel

So I'm watching the TV and a commercial happens for the news, shows pictures of Catholics praying, then the pope.

Tonight, our top story: The Pope is on the verge of Death, with Catholics worldwide praying for him. And a local man who met him....


No other news, usuaully they talk about 5 or 6 top stories, this was just the Pope... Wow.

unfortunately humanity has always been a bit morbid...

when people were still leaving in little communities (villages or orthers)
there were 2 things that were generating rumors: sex and death (and 3 in england with weather...)

medias have just enlarge and internationalised this phenomen...

and for the pope... well i don't think medias are the only responseable (if medias may be responseable which is not proved yet)... there is also the will of some others to make a show of the weakness and the dying of an old man...

is it a sufficient reason for not speaking about it?

I just heard in the Radio, that John Paul II has died.
I don't know what to write yet.

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