Larian Studios Forums General Chat RPG Chat poll which rgp?

Yay, Sacrifice. That was really fantastic game, yes, weird. I thought I am so stupid and my strategical skills are peace of crap. I don't remember how far I've got but not very far indeed. Good, that people still remember such games.

Yes, and that's the version I have, the 2 disc set. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Tsel <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

Okay, here is my list (in no order, but with a tendency towards the order of playing) :

- Albion. My very first RPG. Beautiful product which graphics might nowadays be a bit outdated. Made with *lots* of love towards details ! Very creative, very interesting. The overall handling is not so good, especially for a beginner. Combat was turn-based. If I would play it again with my experience I've gained in the last years, I'd make it better, I think. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> Hm, let me say ... 75 % - well, I was a beginner back then and didn't quite know how to work with it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

- The Northland Trilogy by Attic, which has been ported into English as the "Realms of Arcania" Trilogy by SirTech. My second RPG(s). Three games. Part 2 is still my all-time favourite, mostly because of the fact that I could explore the whole lands and discover new paths ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> I absolutely love Discovering/Exploring, and that's the first thing I do in RPGs EVER ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
The games have nice stories. The graphics are today definitively outdated, combat is turn-based. (As a newbie, I was irritated and thought this was like Chess ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> ) More fun than great graphics, that's how I'd characterise it/them. Around 80 % .

- <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> I ablosutely loved it, because of the ability to explore ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> I loved the beautiful detailed graphics. Everything was so FULL of richness in details ! The combat was so-so, but overall a bit too much & boring. I'd still give it ... 90 % or so. With combat as minus points.

- <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beyond.gif" alt="" /> Have it through, finally. Good game, but too much walk required, too much combat. I'd still give it a 85 % .

- Wizardry 8. A blast. The MOST complex RPG EVER. At least I don't know any one that's more complex. I was absolutely stunned by what mass of details flowed in there. I mean - you can even choose the words to talk about ! Although some of the NPCs are sometimes just standing around, most of them are actually walking like guards walking through a town. To me, it's rather a life-simulation than anything else, I mean there had been so many efforts made to let it appear like an actually living world ! Not everything's good, but most things are very well made, imho. But sometimes a bit too complex.
Complexity is also its minus-point : It's sometimes a bit too much. Nothing for a beginner, I swear. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
Too much combat. You can't walk a mile without being driven into combat by auto-leveling monsters. That was the reason why I never finished it. Without that much combat (which is turn-based by the way), it would be my dream of a game ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> 79 %

- Icewind Dale. Two words : Potential wasted. Such a wonderfully pictured world - and then it's everything but combat. So much potential wasted. It could've been a wonderful game with *much* more interaction and story. I still throw it into the same bown with Blizzrads D2, because it's almost nothing but combat. Sad. 65 % .

- Baldur's Gate. Begun for the second time. Never finished yet. Hard to say what it's about.
The dialogues and the lively world is almost unique. Every NPC seems to be hand-picked, so to say <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> and they all have their own reasons and traits. I like that. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
But it's hard for beginners. You don't know where you are thrown into, meet some strangers and don't know what to do next - apart from the fact that the chars are notoriously low with money. First impression : 50-70 % . The richness in details regarding NPCs is a big plus here.

- Gothic. Begun 2 times, never finished. Great environment, everything seems to be very lively. Combat so-so, but not great. I mean, I favour turn-based combat. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> So far 90 % .

- Lands of Lore I : Update : THIS was my very first RPG. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> Not Albion. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> I've begun it a few months ago and consider it a lot of fun ! I'm almost through it, and apart from some very difficult fights and riddles (I HATE the Urbish Mines !) the only minus is the backpack : You just cannot take anything with you. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> Although it's very diffucult at some points, I still like the game. I'd give it 95 % . <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

- Eye of the Beholder Trilogy Part I. Begun also a few months ago. Riddles are more difficult and boring than in Lands of Lore (both programmed by Westwood Studios). So far 69 % .

- D1 & D2 & LOD . What do I need to say ? The origin of the Action-RPG sub-Genre. It's fun, collecting is fun, but at one point it began to bore me. The biggest minus apart from the brutality (hacking, hacking, slashing) is that the backpack is DEFINITIVELY TOO SMALL ! Between 60-70 % . The "collection factor" is a big plus here. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

- Sacred. I loved that game - until I met the hordes of monsters. Another example of "potential wasted". A *wonderful* rich and detailed world - and then it's just hacking & slashing. Ugh. Such a shame.
The worst thing is that the gamers like it. In the official German forum, nearly EVERY rant about the monster respawn and the masses of monsters is dominated by the fanboi's replys : "More ! More ! I LOVE these masses !" I don't like it.
I still shake my head and wonder : How could such a wonderful game be used to make a simple hack & slash game out of it ? I shudder. Such a shame. 70 % with tendency downwards. The monsters are just too much and too many.

- Nox. Tiny, little game. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> I find it "cute" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> , but that is based on my impression of the graphics of the characters. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> Everything's viewed from above - like in Albion. 70 % .

- Might & Magic series : Just sniffed in. Cannot say anything about it. Maybe one day.

- Planescape : Tormet. Extremely creative game. Never seen such a thing - never before and never after. I was not surprised as I learned that it didn't sell too well - it's just far too mature and sophisticated for the current generation of D2-players. No hacking, no slashing. Just great story. If there war an Olymp of RPG games, I'd DEFINITIVELY put it on the top ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> Great for story-tellers ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> Negative points : Too dark and too morbide for my own taste (that's why I didn't buy it for a long time.) 97 % (with darkness as minus).
By the way, Guido (Guy) Henkel who worked with PS:T also worked with Attic for the Northland Trilogy before. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> As one of the German-language section put it : "Quality pays off !" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

- Jagged Alliance : Played a bit in it. The patching status is the worst I know of. There is NOT one patch that contains ALL fixes, but you've got to install patch 1, then patch 2, patch 3, patch 4 ... I think there are four out there. Even WORSE : The current patch-status is limited for the German version of the game (due to the original distributor going bancrupt). That means that the English version has more patches and betzter fixes, but these patches MUST NOT be used with the German version ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> To me it's impressive how increadible stupiy a compaty can be, regarding Patching. Sadly, this gamne was made by SirTech, who also made the fine Wizardry 8.
Gameplay . Good game, but a bit too hard for my taste, even in "easy". 60-70 % .

- Arcanum. Very interesting and quite creative. Sadly the game seems not to be managable as a character who has from everything a bit. I fear that you've got to concentrate either on technology OR on magic, but not having both at the same time. Never finished. Still like the game because of its overall experience. 80 % .
What few people know is that Nasrudin is a kind of islamic "joke-maker", the closest word I know to desribe him is a "jester", but he was no jester. There are lots of funny books and stories about him ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> He seemed to have really lived in Turkey, but that's not too sure anymore, because the tradition around him is now several hundred years old. He has several different names : "Mulla Nasrudin", Nasreddin Afanti", Effendi Nasrudin", etc. .


Apart from that I've got some old Ultima games lying around here, bought at a flea market. I think I'll play them one day. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Have I forgot anything ? I don't think so.

Alrik.

Oh, why not... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

An RPG, to me, is a game where you take on a character and play him or her with an actual personality, however basic, so games such as Diablo & Icewind Dale do not count. They are fighting games, not 'true' RPGs. Games like Spell Force and WarCraft 3 are closer, in fact...

Planescape: Torment - best CRPG ever. 99%. This one has everything, including the most in depth character development possibilities I have ever seen in a computer game. Party members are not just meaningless grunts, but have complete histories and distinct personalities. There's plenty of fighting, character interaction, questing and all the usual elements of an RPG, plus a very unique feel all its own.

Baldur's Gate - Good, but too big. 75%. The first 'true' RPG in the sense that a tabletop role player would recognise, but most of the potential party members are just grunts with useful powers and the 'explore anywhere' possibilities make the game just too open. I finished, but not many of my friends did.

Baldur's Gate 2 - A definite improvement on BG1. 85%. Suffers from very poor romantic sub plots, with the only really viable choice turning out to be your character's sister, which is annoying. Big, but not TOO big, and has an excellent plot. One major drawback is that one of your characters will get kidnapped for far too long and so lag badly in levels for the rest of the game.

Baldur's Gate: Throne Of Baal - 85%. A lot of good stuff, tight plotting, and some serious spells. A good attempt at mid to high level play. Beyond that, it's more BG2, really <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Lionheart - 60%. For the first half, this is one of the best RPGs ever. The system is great, the game is involving with a ton of intriguing side quests and a huge variety of ways to develop your character. There are so many people to interact with and so much to do that you won't be bored for an instant. The second half is one long fight. Talk about a let down...

Divine Divinity - 80%. Suffers from a boring final third that lowers the overal score. Otherwise, this is a great game. But then you guys all know that <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Beyond Divinity - 60%. Excellent plotting and dialogue, but there are just too many faults in the game system for this to score higher.

Neverwinter Nights - 50%. Worst RPG I've ever played. Plot based bugs randomly deleted essential quest items between areas, there is little real character development opportunity, and overall it was dreadful in every way. This is the original. I did not get any of the expansions.

That's about it, IIRC... I'll add more if I think of them <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Just as a final note - I do not play games with turn based combat, hence no Temple Of Elemental Evil, etc. I just don't like them.

You COULD acually download it at pirate bay <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />!

How old is it? How does it work? Etc.

Land of Lore seemed interesting too. How old is THAT game?

Übereil

My version of Lands of Lore I (LOL) is the CD version on a Magazine-CD-ROM from 1997. The game itself is a bit older ...

Edit : The Readme says "January, 10, 1994" ...



Oh, and I've forgot the

- Pools of Radiance : Another example of potential wasted. But this time *completely* . Rumor sasys it was the "usual suspect" : The publisher. Could've been quite a good game (was in a German mag at one time titled "Baldur's Gate Killer"), but everythink looks so EMPTY. 50-70 % , something in between. Never finished yet.

I know my brother liked Temple of Elemental Evil, since it was the freest RPG he'd ever played when it comes to algiment (you can be both good and evil, not as in NWN, where you can only become more lawfull, and more good). He thinks it was a pity it was so bugged (his story is about crfeeps attacking at night at the other side of a wall. They just gathered and gathered, after a while he couldn't play just because it lagged too much).

Übereil

Anmd he's not wrong you know !!! best rpg interaction around <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

1) carrot
2) potatoe
3) banana

yep this answer is more or less cut/paste from a german member here in another thread... and please don't take my answer too seriously! or maybe it is <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Hmm, why? Why do you ask? Hmm, and even if I did, it's not any business of yours Ybi. Even if I download everything from, how do you say, pirated bay, that is not your concern.

As for the game there is www.gamespot.com full of information.
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Ok there are still couple of games nobody mentioned, at least at this thread. We have had such threads before with -look I remember this, I remember this posts. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

- UFO Terror from the Deep and Enemy Unknown.
- Gorky 17.

After Alrik vote for Albion. i must remember to other great RPGs.

Amberstar, and Ambermoon. Both german Games for the Amiga Computer.
But Amberstar was released for PC too.
Oldies, but goldies.

if you want to try a very very crapy rpg 'er... sorry rgp <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

you may try Neverend

(err sorry it's in french... don't know if there are any english site for that)

well please don't tell me how Off topic I am!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

or how the link fits well with my new sign! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Wow, that looks crappy! And the text wasn't even in English! Geeze! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

Übereil

I had once played the demo of the very first UFO game. I couldn't get into it. I guess I was too young for it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

I loved first UFO. Played it many, many times.
Second part was ok. But, the third game, that was released not very long ago is waste of time imo.

As for Gorky 17 - it is also known after another name - Odium, if anyone has heard anything about it.
(It was released under the name Gorky 18 in Russia and had some changes in plot)

PS:T Legos

The potatoe game 500%!

So much to think about and so little time, but...

Since Elliot_Kane mentioned Lionheart I have hope for what could be.

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Those are excellent, Alrik! Great find! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

@ Elliot Kane -> same here! i don't touch turn-based game as i suck in it. or on it. or at it. or with it. but definitely i'm better without it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

yeah, Lionheart totally broke my heart as i thought it will be the SPECIAL ONE after that super Fallout Tactics (those that like it might like Commandos too).

@ Egin -> my brother played Odium & being turn-based, i was turned off by it though i like the post-apocalyptic feel.