Larian Studios Forums General Chat RPG Chat poll which rgp?

After this review http://olnigg.de/jahr2003/olg96.htm I dfecided not to buy Lionheart. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> I don't like the graphics that much, and that's a point for me where I cannot "play a role" ( I mean I must identify my self with that role a bit <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> ) .

Yes, this game was kind of different from other RPGs. I haven't completed it either. I don't remember why.

And another good turn-based with some RPG elements is Silent Storm. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

Janggut...



I hate them because they are far too slow. I am a huge RTS fan, and I'm used to moving armies around the screen rapidly in response to an immediate threat. You can imagine the challenge level I do NOT feel when the game pauses to allow me all the time in the world to make a move...



I completely agree. I thought it was the best thing since Torment to start with. Loved it to bits. Then the last part bored me half to death...

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That reminds me: I've played Lionheart too. And I didn't like it that much in the beginning (thought the coversation was pretty dry. And all the historical errors! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />), but thought it decent (espesially the skillsystem, since it's based on the Fallout system, and the fighting, since got more and more challenging.), until I got out of Barcelona, where the fights suddenlly were too hard (suddenlly, you NEVER had any mana) and too many. And of chorse, suddenlly there weren't any variation, just fights, with not much in between. I allso felt it was a bit too small too. Well, the Barcelona area was nicelly done, but it was because it was stuffed really, they used every inch of that area. Over all, it'sa not one of my favorites.

Übereil

I can just guess : The point where the game gets boring is where the Publisher made pressure. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Actually, the pressure came from the fact that Interplay was going to be defunkt at any moment and Fergus at B.I.S. wanted to get it out before then. So you could say there was Publisher pressure there. (chuckle) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Tsel <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

Wow,i didnt expect so much activity...i actually did read a couple of reviews of planescape and if i can get a second hand version i will definitely buy it.

About WC3...well i see it as a strat rgp althougth i was a bit dissappointed to see dwarven shooters and steam tanks...???!!!! so i guess it doesnt make it a rgp(shold have been elven archers for gods sake)
Good story though.
Heros have similar skills though...a pity.

Toee-i like the way combat is dealt..makes you think a bit,rather then have you press a mouse button extremly quickly...yeah it too laggy.

Personally i dont like simple hack/slash rgp..i like different reputation and alot of item interacterbility,races,classes and varying climates.
Bearing all this in mind..i thnk its fundamental to have alot of "greenery" in an rgp(trees,woods) becuase i personally associate that with magic and the "old days" raher then blocks of houses.

aahh how about Might & Magic ?

Heroes of Might & Magic II: The Succession Wars
Heroes of Might and Magic
Heroes of Might and Magic Compendium
Heroes of Might and Magic II
Heroes of Might and Magic II: The Price of Loyalty
Might and Magic I: Secret of the Inner Sanctum
Might and Magic II: Gates to Another World
Might and Magic III: Isles of Terra
Might and Magic IV: Clouds of Xeen
Might and Magic V: Darkside of Xeen
Might and Magic VI: the Mandate of Heaven
Might and Magic VII: for Blood and Honor
Might and Magic VIII: Day of the Destroyer
Might and Magic IX
Might and Magic: World of Xeen (Includes Clouds, Darkside and the Swords of Xeen)


Now they where lotsa fun <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

[color:"orange"]i actually did read a couple of reviews of planescape and if i can get a second hand version i will definitely buy it.[/color]

I checked eBay again because of this topic, and bought a new copy of Planescape Torment (bundled with Soulbringer) for CAN$10, including shipping. I also got Fallout 1 and 2; I'm not a big fan of turn based combat, and I found the text in the Fallout 1 demo a little hard to read, but for $10 I'll give it a shot. Lionheart is $6, which I may add to the order (half a game, half a budget price...).

I really don't see why some consider WC3 an RPG, I don't think it's because you have hero characters that level up that it should be called an RPG. I'd rather say RTS with very minimal RPG aspects. You gotta admit that there isn't much customization of heros in WC3.

Warlords Battlecry did the "RPG aspects in an RTS" thing before Warcraft 3, and did it way better in my opinion. Now I'm not saying warcraft 3 is bad, because I really enjoyed it. It was a great strategy game. And I'm not saying Warlords Battlecry is awesome, it has AI problems and a few other rough edges plus outdated graphics but it came much closer to being an RPG than warcraft 3.

Sorry for the <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" /> post.

Soulbringer is actually a very good game, but like Beyond Divinity you need to get past the beginning before it gets good. Also, you have to get used to the controls.

Tsel <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

It has some elements, but yes, I agree. I don't think Warlords Battlecry was much different to WC3 in the partial RPG elements - and yes, it was certainly first by some distance.

The best RTS/RPG combos though are IMO the Spell Force games, which actually have stronger RPG elements than a lot of games considered to BE RPGs, such as Icewind Dale and Diablo 1 + 2.

To my mind, if there is no possibility of characterisation, then the game is not an RPG. It stands for ROLE playing, after all <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

rythok my boy, u hit the nail on the head with warlords battlecry. wc3 has even less of RPG elements than WBC, though WBC at times can be more frustrating than WC3. still it is novel in trying to personalise RTS to RPG level, with the hero being even more 'heroic' than the ones in WC3.

i haven't really tried SpellForce other than the demo which ran sluggishly on my system (due to crappy graphic card that i have). maybe later when i have beefier card. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

@ Elliot Kane -> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" /> seems that we're very much alike; i'm also a RTS gamer who's not patient enough for turn-based combat. which is why the RPGs that i play are all real-time as well.

@ Egin -> Silent Storm looks so good (in gameplay & such) that i'm tempted to try out turn-based system. we'll see. maybe i'll try the demo. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

Oh - one caveat regarding Spell Force. Both the original and Breath Of Winter are absolutely fantastic games - but you MUST patch them before playing! Both contain errors that make them unfinishable under certain conditions.

They ARE worth it, however <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Janggut...

Have you seen Rome: Total War yet? Wonderful RTS game, IMO <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Rome Total War is truly an awesome game, I hate units in the phalanx formation though, so far the only way I found to kill them was to get cavalry to charge from behind but that's hard to do. I thought elephants were pretty strong too till they got to the ennemy skirmishers.

Now to return to RPGs, I think Icewind Dale is pretty good. Sure it doesn't have all the NPC interaction that BG2 or PS:T has, but it has enough to be called an RPG. It's at least by far more an RPG than Diablo. It's a game for those who don't like BG2's or PS:T's complexity, and also don't like mindless H&S. I enjoyed it, at least as much as I enjoyed both Baldur's Gates.

Oh and just a quick note on RTSs, I think Warhammer 40k Dawn of War is really great. Anyone who likes a fast-paced RTS should give it a try.

Raze,

Becareful with Lionheart. You're a straight shooter and deserve the same, so walk into this game with a heads up. Supposedly people that hacked or used some kind of editor stated it was very unbalanced in items.

Basiacally I got lucky and walked through the game with "Fire". But for all the rest such as Cold, Electrical or what may be it seems it was limited. If I am wrong, I am sure someone will correct me.

Also this is definitely a hybrid game, so what ever spells may appeal to you I would still recommend a 50% Warrior/Caster to take the hits.

Good luck and when the game turns don't hate me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Hm, doi you recommend Warlords Battlecry ? I ask because it's on a magazine-CD currently here ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

No. It's really not very good. I don't think I even got half way through before I abandoned it.

Missile troops can be used to wipe out phalanxes, too. The trick is to isolate them then wipe them out.

Elephants ideally need infantry or cavalry support. Send them in alone, and they will create chaos and do damage, but they'll get wiped out.

One of the best things about Rome, IMO, is that just recruiting armies of your toughest troops won't win battles <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />



I personally consider IWD a party based version of Diablo. There's no characterisation, your whole group are just meaningless grunts with zero personality who can be replaced at any time and the whole game is basically fighting your way through. More a small group combat game than an RPG, to my mind <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I know I am very much in the minority with this opinion, though <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />



I think you are right <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

It's a short game - but a very good one <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I agree insofar that IWD is nothing but combat, imho.

Very few interaction.