Larian Studios Forums General Chat Chat (Anything) France has voted No

well said, Tsel.

& Seth, i can't really tell how bad things are in Belgium as how u described it but i wish my country has referendum as how it's done in France.

Barta, let's not bring the guillotines out yet. have Seth try the wet noodle first. with wasabi on it! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

& if u manage to drag France to Australia, do come over to Malaysia to visit me anytime. u can let Guroth know that he can bring his family there. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

YAY! France is joining Asia! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> since Indochina used to be french territory, maybe u can 'park' there. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

true, even if the people may do it out of spite, it still is a democratic practice to hold referendums which is always a good thing. if the people decide to drag the country down to hell, it is their right to do so & no country should stop them.

That's very true. And the only now they care about is filling their own wallets. The goverment we have now gave themselves numerous raises and lots of bonusses. But you'll never see that in the news. They keep that quiet and even complain that they don't get enough pay.

And that's also a (to me) scandal in the EU. The pay of all those people working there is often so high that it's rediculous. A cleaning lady in the EU sometimes makes more than fi an officemanager in Belgium or one of the other countries.

It is Draghermosran who is managing to drag France to Australia to punish us for our bad voting ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />
I don't know about Master Guroth, he has blown away since a few times.
I am planning to visit you in 2006 or in 2007. It's not a joke.



Do you mean that Asia is hell ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
Have nice vacations. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/XmasJump.gif" alt="" />

Barta

As far as I can tell from the outside, France did provide one of the most detailed information about the European Constitution to its population - more than in Germany anyway.

And, while it's indeed widely suspected outside France, that the vote was influenced by dissatisfaction with the government, lack of available information on the issue is not a fact I can conceive.

Also, it is not true that the European Constitution, as drafted, voids the respective constitutions of the member states. What it does though, is making the European Union a judicial entity of its own right, and such would be a step from a Federation of States to a Federal State. (And the problems of federal states is something we Germans are familiar with <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />)

The vote does NOT dissolve the European Union - it will just continue to exist, as is to date.

That stagnation may be deplored by some, as progress (and such change) is feared by others. Both sides have some valid arguments (and a lot of invalid ones) - it has just not developped enough for a majority to crystallize.

This is not a time for the impatient.

YAY !! The Dutch have voted "Nay" as well, by some 60% and more. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

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Over here Mr.Blair is rumoured to be thinking of backing out of a referendum on the constitution because of what is happening over there in europeland! The Little Chicken Sh1t ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/down.gif" alt="" />

He's just following the example set by the Belgian prime minister. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />
Hopefully in other countries people will come to their sences and vote no too.

I can understand why some countries will and should vote NO on the EUC.
After reading the declarations it is clearly a help to some countries,
but it also poses possible problems for other countries.
Plus, I can see some country identity loss if it did pass.
I know this is a bit cliché, but it looks "New World Order" like to me.

Tsel

Individualists and Idiots aren't to be appluaded, most Dutch voted nay because either: Revenge for The Balkenende Gov. they don't like, or because The Netherlands is small and they don't want a country like Turkey to have more power in the feature...

It's just sad, I would respect voting no with good reasons but these are not.

I am happy to know that the Dutch people are also individualists and idiots, just like french people. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

Where is jvb, i would like to know his opinion, now he is old enough for voting. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mage.gif" alt="" />

Barta

In every news flash I saw on tv Dutch people clearly stated they voted no becouse of different things. That they are afraid of all the power going to the "big" countries and losing identity. And a few said what probably a lot of people feel (and I couldn't agree more):
That the EU is just a political organisation or something. That the people know almost nothing about it. That they get no information from the EU. That they don't feel connected at all. That it's just a bunch or rich guys and politicians who want to create a better world for themselves. So that they gain even more and your every day civilian even less.
And also, Holland been asking the EU to reorganise its funding. As it is now the Dutch contribute most to the EU.
And the Dutch been asking for a more fair deviding of funding for years and years. And the EU never even reacted.
The Dutch had lots of reasons for voting no.

bleh... I'm an European in my hart, only by birth Belgian. I wish for a more united Europe, where ppl are more equal where wealthfare isn't limited to certain regions/nations. As belgian I have probably one of the easiest lives in the world, to easy imo. I would make my life a little harder if it would make that of others a lot easier. That's one of the ideas behind the EU, where all its nations could share the same economic and wealth standards. This goals doesn't get closer by voting no on a united constitution for little stupid issues...

Maybe so. But when Swedish farmers have to grow loads of things that then is burned just to get eu-grands, then something is TERRIBLLY wrong!

Übereil

I agree with your ideas but if you have a deep look at the new constitution you will discover that life would be harder for the lower social classes and easier for the richest people.

Barta

Nice thoughts Dragh. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />
But that's just it. The European Constitution like it is now isn't about equality. Not even about people. It's about organisations, institutions, money, power, ...

And even if you're in favour of a United Europe... I should say: Specially if you're in favour of a United Europe, voting no is the best thing.
This way they have to do their "homework" again. And hopefully think a little of people next time. And not only about power, money, economics and trade wars.
The EU and the people who live in it deserve a better constitution.

*edit*
The goal is good.
But there are different ways to get there. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

I haven't examined it troughly, my first impressions were that it seemed to comply with the idea the EU leaders come foward, I should examin it closer it seems.

Still I get the idea that many voters pro and contra have even lesser knowledge than I, comments made, such as the "We don't want turkey to have more power than us" wich litterally was said. Still give me the idea to many ppl didn't vote for the content of the constitution.

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And why is that? That's just one of the biggest problems of the EU. The EU is something that happens over our heads. The only time we hear about the EU is when they come forward with yet another rule (to make life harder useally).
People see the EU as a big political organisation that exist far from reality. The EU never tried to get close to people. People don't know about it. Just that it costs us lots of money, and most are upset enough about that.

One woman on Dutch tv said: "If I voted yes, what would happen? If I voted no, what would happen? What do we have to do with EU?"

Typical... and something those EU politicians should spend more attention on.

Can't dissagree on that. There's work to do

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" /> despite how bleak things can be for all my european online buddies, all of u sure know how to look at the bright side & be funny about all these hoo-ha. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

i read in Times (u know the political inclination of this magazine) that to resolve this, the governments should make the decision instead of letting the people to decide. that's a load of BS, i feel, as government should serve the people, not the other way round. i'm glad the dutch government is as wise as the french in deciding for referendums instead of parliamentary decision.

@ Barta -> asia hell? when compared to Europe, i think it is. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" /> if u are really coming over to Malaysia in 206 or 27, do let me know the location so i can let u know of the locales & stuff. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> are u trying to compete with Spick? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />