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Oh no, janggut; actually, the boards discussions about it are piece of cake beside what's going on with the "big shots" (or "directly involved organizations/people") in the public, media-covered issue. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
It has spilled over so much fields and so fundamental questions, it's quite an aberration. It's full of [abject] political & rethorical twists, manipulation, misinformation... Full of extremism, too; from those for whom science is quite deified to those who are extreme-right conservative Christians. And full of lawyers. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />
Not a debate that is to keep one cool and detached if looked at too closely for too long. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


true, Fille, the point of reference in the discussion has veered off so much that it's just very confusing when two sides are using totally different sets of reference or points to argue the same thing. well of course in a way both are right & also wrong. one argues based on faith & another based on fact. mostly chicken & duck talk. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

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