Yep it was <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />, I wonder what happened, anything new since this morning? I have been at work so... Machinery does wear down over time so it could of simply been its time, or pilotes error(how often do they get to test it in a real situation?) I was in NG so I guess I can use that as a comparison very well, but our vehicles were in poor shape and we were a front line tpye of company(though I wasn't a grunt, I was THE commo guy). During the two week summer thing we had at least 6 vehicles each time not make it(consider that we was a "front line" machinic unit...)