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ok to be sure, i apologies 1st and honestly that i am.....indeed quite noob.
just bought this game a moth ago, and i can only manage to get play it until into imp village, ACT 2, found the cure and went fighting with the shaman.
it seemed the shaman that is very impossible to beat, and because of that, i restarted the game from scratch 5-6 times, with a diff jobs. tried warr, surr and wizard on both charaters, or both with diff jobs......but everything useless.
tried lvling the characters above the shaman, but it seems the shaman always 2 lvls above them. bought alot of potions, all potions, and tried to let the shaman finish his mana.....but it seems the shaman never finsih his mana, nor his life. i did many possible ideas, but still the shaman never goes down to an inch of his life. did a couple of curses in the game and unto larian studio (sry -_-), but i know it is useless. so i end up here, hoping someone cares enough to help a stressed noobtart. Basicly, HOW THE FREAKIING *@^%*&%$ CAN I KILL THE HOMO GEY SHAMAN?

Details:
At the moment my death knight plays as a acher warr, and the 2nd char a mage
both lvl 17

death knight skills: max acher bow skills, with piercing, accuracy, loading and crit all to the max 5

2nd char, mage: weather shaman lightning spell - max 5
fire misslie spells - max 5
spread earth spells - max 5
pacify spell - 3

thank you very muchy T_____________T

You're not only noob on BEYOND Divinity, you're allso noob on this forum <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />. Yes, you posted in the wrong section...

And about the help, I never got further than the imp village... Raze or some other bigshot will help you in no time.

And wellcome to the forum <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />.

Übereil

Try the Beyond Divity board. I did the same thing my first post. Minimizing the other panes will help keep track of which board you're posting on. You can delete this topic in the edit options.

Did you complete all other quests in the imp village before giving the ingredients to the alchemist?


Have your mage invest in the shaman nature magic spell Hammer (you can learn it from the hermit in the spider forest). Set your archer to aggressive (right click on portrait) to automatically attack, while you have the mage run around as a distraction, casting Hammer to stun the shaman (and possibly do a bit of bone damage) so he can not attack or heal for a short time.

The shaman has high resistances to poison, shadow, bone and elemental damage types. He is vulnerable to etheral damage, so use weapons/spells that do that or conventional damage (slashing, piercing or crushing).

The following top contains some hints and links to similar topics: i cant kill the shaman!!!! aarrrgggg


How have your distributed your stat points? If you always have problems with the shaman you are either favouring weapons he is resistant to or you may be neglecting some stats. There are some general suggestions in the math appendix of the Beyond Divinity Strategy Guide.

well what can u expect more from a noob?
imagine a person's trying to find the CD key of this game for more than a day, reinstall it twice/thrice/4 times, complained to the shopkeeper
and demanded to have his money back cus' he thought the game doesn't work, but IN FACT it DOENS'T need any CD key at all to play it. EL O EL !!!!

anyways, that happened a month ago.

i did some research, check on couples of links Raze gave me. (Thx a lot man !)
understood some of the tactics to beat the gey shaman.
learned and studied more infos of building up proper stats & skills for warr and mage.
yes, indeed shaman has more very gey high resistances than i expected. >.<
yes, i found out that my current lvl's, skills and stats are not strong enough to beat him yet.

best options against shaman:
melee (2 handed, sharpened) = slashing - crushing (no bone & shadow)
acher = piercing - with ethernal/explosive (no bone & shadow & poison)
magic = hammer stun - insect swarm ( no elemental, poison & anything else)

and yes, i found out there are more quests beside from the imp village.

no i haven't done any quests outside the imp village. (did only 1, "looked for a spider leg")
i dun remember well of my current stats for the 2 characters.
but from the biginning of the game i always put it in these ratios:

warr (acher) : strength - 2
agility - 1
consti - 2

mage : consti - 1
intel - 2
survival - 2

and the skills are in at the top.

i know this is not good, but what the heck !?
criticise me all u want, me just still learning. T_______T

i still dun get it - how to summon a doll?
- how to sharpen weapons?
- how to set a trap?

any help again, i greatly thankfull
thank you very muchy muchy for the helps again >______<

I don't know about re-installing, but a fair number of people have posted trying to find where the non-existent CD key is. Starforce's error message isn't very clear, and the disk labeling on the North American release doesn't help.


Giving the ingredients to the alchemist leads pretty much to the end of the act. You have an opportunity to loot and or finish up stuff outside the village, but will not be able to complete any quests in the imp village. I would recommend waiting until you have finished everything else you can before helping the alchemist.


If your archer can take a couple hits from a strong opponent without dying, I'd stop boosting constitution to concentrate on survival and speed for a bit. Boosting Reload Time improves your speed; I maxed that for my archer, put 3 or 4 points into Point Blank and one point into Accuracy. If you are using a bow rather than a crossbow, I'd also concentrate more on agility than strength.

I have not played a mage, but I would think at least a moderate speed would help. Of course everything depends partly on what equipment you have found and what your playing style is like. I ran into trouble at the beginning of the game if I neglected speed and survival too much, but others have played high strength/agility melee warriors and not had a problem practically ignoring speed and survival.


[color:"orange"]how to summon a doll?[/color]

Once you have a doll, you simply click on it in your inventory to summon or unsummon it. There is one doll in each act. The act 2 doll is in the spider forest. The act 1 doll (the only one that can equip a crossbow) is a reward for helping the poisoned imp after jumping down the pit in the arena (the solution is on the same level). If you have a save at the end of act 1 you can go back and get it, but then you would have to redo the start of act 2. If you missed that doll and don't mind cheating slightly, I could get the Inventory files from one of my old saves with the act 1 summoning doll.


[color:"orange"]how to sharpen weapons?[/color]

After learning the sharpen skill (weapons officer in drill grounds of act 1, the smith in act 3 or Brian in the BF of any act), give the weapon to be sharpened to the character who learned the skill, then right click on the weapon and select Sharpen from the menu. Not all types of weapons can be sharpened (swords and frying pans (IIRC) can, crossbows can not). Save first, in case you boost the agility requirements too much.


[color:"orange"]how to set a trap?[/color]

I collected trap material, but never got around to trying out traps. I assume after selecting the appropriate trap skill as your character's secondary skill, you would just need to right click on the ground where you want the trap.

WOOOOOOOwwwww <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />
thx for the links.......nnnggggg >.<
u been soo greatly help Raze....muah! muah!

hmmmmmm...guess i can't play as 2 styles for my DK warr.
me trying to make my DK warr can shoots with massive dmg and tank as well.
that's why i give strength-2, agi - 1 and consti -2 on every lvl up.
but i guess i must sacrifice tanking, and go for real dmg dealer acher stats
what about boosting sneak skill? will it be useful if i play as an acher?
(shoot-back-shoot-back...., preventing them to see us)

for my mage.
i not sure if i must add on strength and agi.
i check on other mages' chars stats and their screenshots, mostly they have shields and maces, but that means need some strength/agi to equip it.
does it necessary for strength and agi for mages, beside preventing die from hits?

oh never mind about mages, i understand now why they need str and agi^.^
Kaan's mage guide

You can build a tank archer, but there are tradeoffs to be made when distributing stat and skill points. You'll also either have to invest in Point Blank or keep a melee weapon handy to deal with crowds.
Actually, since the DK's base armour class goes up with his character level, you don't need as high a strength to meet armour requirements.

Sneak can be quite useful for archers as well as mages. I would try it at the default level before deciding if you need to boost it, though. If you use it a lot (for hit and run tactics, etc) you may want to put a couple skill points into it, otherwise the base level should be good enough.

A mage only needs enough strength to equip whatever armour you want to use.
Agility is the primary component of accuracy, though I don't think that is very important if you are only using magic. Agility also helps evasion, though speed is the primary component. If you are not using a conventional weapon as a backup, a mage can probably neglect agility. You might want to start a topic in a BD forum about how people have distributed stat points for mages.

Note that Kaan's mage guide was written for Divine Divinity. Both the stat system and skill system were changed in Beyond Divinity (the second more drastically), though some of the suggestions are still applicable.

ooooouuuuwwwww ok i understand now

thx a lot for the helps ^.^
now i can at least know how to play the game better.
thx soo much again Raze and the rest.
love u all ^.^ muah! muah! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

ok got another problem....hiks hiks T.T

i got the sharpen skill learned from Brian at BF, but the skill suddenly disappeared. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />
nnnnnngggggggg....>.<
what happen?
bug?
error?
i tried to relearned it from Brian, but he doesn;t have the skill anymore.
he ate my money .....nnnnnnnnngggggggg >.< <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

tried to load previous save, but it was far too.......previous lols
tired of doing it again
nnnnnnnnggggggg....pls help

thank you very muchy

Have you invested skillpoints into it? Buying the skill only means you can learn it, you don't get sharpen lvl 5 if you buy sharpen lvl 5. Instead you can buy sharpen lvl 5 for your skillpoints.

Übereil

Have you installed the patch? There was a problem with learning some skills in the BF, though I don't recall if Sharpen was one of them.

Are you looking in the right place to add skill points to Sharpen, under the warrior craftsmanship skill branch?

If you exit the BF and then re-enter, does Brian offer the skill again?


You can get back your 'stolen' gold by using the trick in the following topic (try it in a save in the main game, not in the BF).
For you cheaters out there (The Duplication Trick)

Alternately, without the patch installed, using level 1 Pickpocket you can steal an 'unlimited' number of stackable items by holding the control key down when clicking on the stack, and taking all but one of the items. If you do not take the entire stack, it is not counted as a steal.
The patch fixes this, but it also changes the BF merchant inventories so they regenerate each time you enter the BF (so gold is more plentiful).

well the skill is not there.
how to invest skillpoints to it?

yes i checked it under warr craftmenship skill branch, it is not there at all.
i left and re-entered BF couple of times, went to Brian, and he doesn't have/offer the skill everytime i re-enter.
Bytheway,i bought Sharpen skill lvl 6 from Brian in lvl 3 BF.

nnnnnnnnnggggggg....... >.<

oh well.

it's all right if it happens one skill, but me just worried what if it happens to other skills?
till now, only that sharpen skill appears to be "bug/error" (me still in act 2).

i'll try on the new patch and the cheater's way, thx for the links again Raze.

I think the reason is this :

When Starforce doesn't recognize a disk, it prompts for a key. I know that in severe cases customers can apply such a "key" (at least I believe it's some sort of "key") from Larian directly. I think that's what's meant.

As long as Starforce does recognize the actual gameing disc, it clearly doesn't need any sort of key ...

well at first i thought to play the game have to use Disc 1, but then it asked for a CD-key everytime i used disc 1, and i was like nnnnnnngggggggg....where the heck is the CD-key? >.<

but then i discovered to play the game, it has to use disc 2 lols, and it doesn;t ask for CD key.

that was a month ago, terrible experience ><

anyway,
me had finally successfully miraceliously killed the gey shaman.
Raze and others were right, thanks to u all
best skills to use against shaman:

warr (melle) - GOOD DMG & GOOD ACCURACY (strength and agility)
1) get 1-2 skillpoints at least for sharpen skill
2) get 2 handed weapon (slashing/crushing), no bone, shadow, or any
other elemental (1 handed with shield gives much more lesser accuracy
and initiative than 2 handed, and 2 handed gives lots of dmg)
3) sharpen the weapon, and pawn his [nocando]
4) dun forget to drink the potions

warr (acher) - GOOD ACCURACY AND RELOADING TIME & DMG (STRENGTH AND AGI)
1) use accuracy (max), reloading(max), point blank(1-2), crit(1-2),
piercing (max)
2) use non-shadow/bone bow, the shaman is immune to shadow and bone
3) best arrows to use: normal arrows & ethreal arrows that's it
3) safest way use sneak, shoot & move back, shoot and move back, dun let
shaman see u

mage - LOTS OF MANA (intellegence)
1) best spells to use: - hammer (2 at least), spike and insect swarm
(remember 1 thing - PARALYZE SUX AGAINST SHAMAN. it is diff from
hammer stunning spell. paralyse = not moving only, hammer = stun and
deals good dmg + it is area of effect)
2) let the shaman stand near u, use hammer to stun, then use spike/insect
swarm (note: shaman has high elemetal resistances and many immunities,
BUT his ARMOR= 0, that is why normal slashing/crushing/piercing is also more effective)
3) i usually count to 2-3 secs and use hammer again, to prevent the
shaman from waking up

survivor - ???????
never played as a survivor b4, but i heard ususally ppl use traps, but not elemental traps (including poison)

notes:

1) easier way to fight is get at least lvl 18.
*finish up all the quest - imp vill, spider forest, mushroom forest & dark forest
*lvl up more at BF

2) after fighting the shaman at his house, he will teleport u into his cave, and u have to fight him AGAIN. this time, he has 3-4 water demons fighting alongside with him. (i did 1stly used sneak, and my warr acher used bow to kite him, pulled him away from the water demons, and then i used my mage to cast hammer BAMB! BMAB! BAMB! he's dead)

3) dun forget to update ur BD game patch 1.47 patch update , or else, u won't get ur sharpen skill from Brian at the BF, or even worse: the npc's at BF never has NO money regeneration, which means u cannot trade it for gold much >.<

that's all i know after all the hard works lols nnnnnnggggggg.... >.<
hopefully can be good for the other ppl who just started the game.

But i still have 1 more problem, after killing the shaman
that is:

how to open the doors at the cave?
i mean i got only 2 keys (1 from shaman, the other from another room), but i
cannot open the last 2 locked doors .... nnnnngggggg >.<
where to get the keys to open it? lols
i know there is someone imprisoned by the shaman.

bytheway,
thx again soo muchy for the patch link Raze.
it saved me alot ^.^
finally i can get the sharpen skill from Brian El O El
nnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggg.....>.<

[color:"orange"]3) best arrows to use: normal arrows & ethreal arrows that's it[/color]

Don't forget power arrows, they do more piercing damage than normal arrows. I saved them up until late in the game, but playing again I would switch much earlier (especially since the patch makes arrows more plentiful).


[color:"orange"]how to open the doors at the cave?[/color]

Near the southern door, there is a lever on the wall just to the north west.

Hmm im playing a mage at the moment and doing very well. The trick with the mage is 2 boost Magic and your Offense Defense stat's.

as 4 spells you defently need 2 get lockpick 2 lvl 5 also learn the self-healing as u can also heal summoned monsters.

You will also need a couple of projectile spells.

In the eairly stages i fancied the meteor cos it woz quite damaging even on the first setting! as i got more point i started 2 boost other stretegic spells.

Lightning defently get this 1 2 at least lvl 2 as it come's in very handy aginst Orc's Lizard Men Mounten Troll's but not imps 4 some reson imps seem almost imperviouis 2 lighting!!!!!

When u get the right lvl you should really activate the Shadow spell.

This spell is ideal 4 reconisense as u can wonder though an entire enermy area as long as u dont attack any-one!!!

I also recomend lvl 2 on the skeleton wall as well as this can b very handy 4 running interferance if u need 2 re-gen!!

You should also rais your alcomy stat's(Unless u use the duplication trick!!)

You really should invest your magic stats in 1 of the other catergris!!!!
I found the "Path of the Crossbow or wot ever it's called very usefull!!

It bascily improve's your accurcey as well as hit damage!! and as a mage staying out of direct trouble is very handy!!

DO Not Try To Use Close Combat Weapon's With A Mage Untill You Have a Very Very Healthy Life Counter/Magic Counter.

Example I woz playing the mage and i came accross 1 of the vampire's i kept loseing untill i relised that magic worked better so I procedded 2 Electocute the Vamp and he very quickly melted <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

[color:"orange"]I found the "Path of the Crossbow or wot ever it's called very usefull!!

It bascily improve's your accurcey as well as hit damage!![/color]

Actually, the damage portion of Crossbow Expertise is broken, though the recuperation time bonus works. The skill True Shot is also broke, though even without it, archery can be quite powerful (especially if using Poison Weapon).