Urath
wow this is still going on... all i can say is its just a game not much point in getting so heated about it, i like divinity but trying to understand how the divinity universe works is just plain stupid and impossible
Agreed.
no game can possibly have an answer to your every question that pops out every so often
Who said "every question"? Definitely not me, you just did. Where is this came from?
Srsly, I used Dragon Age origins as the example of the good and polished RPG plot. It has almost no flaws, every question that pop-ups in the game has it's answer, there is no silly questions like with D2: "WTF is that", "WHY in the hell is that". There is a logic, sense in DAO plot. Ofc we don't get all answers, especially for the questions that pop-upы in the end of the game. That's why there is an addon, that's why there is a DAO2 coming in 2011.
RazeYou called me illogical for giving a detailed suggestion as a possible explanation, and yet playing through that part of the game without giving it any analysis at the time.
Oh, now you know what I did and what I didn't? Fun, we have a telepat here.
Also, I see you did some analysis, which sounds fun coz of earlier your words:
"I played through that section without giving it too much analysis."Hypocrisy ftw.
and when they are proven wrong, they say it doesn't matter or try to avoid that aspect of the conversation.
That reminds me of some person who tried to do it few times >_> and still doing.
If Ygerna's age when she was executed doesn't matter, why did you want proof that she was 'about 20'?
It is not related. I never said it is (show me where if I did).
And you know it, but why then you make it sounds like it is related and pop-up this question ever?
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Why so childish?
Or was it that when you thought I was guessing it was good enough to criticize, but backed up with fact you'd rather just avoid mentioning anything about it?
I asked the proof for many things if you remember, Fun how you ignore everything else, but still bring up this one.
Yeah, let's avoid unsuitable things, right? ;P
Btw, you still didn't gave me a solid proof about her age:
From the Child of Chaos, page 24 (pdf included in the 17.7MB D2:ED fansite kit)so at most Ygerna is about 20.FANSITE kit, lol, yeah, reliable source consider the fact that story in new PDF-manuals now "fixed" a bit which makes a,ll older sources a bit... unreliable as the proof-source, lol.
Suggestions, suggestions... You even can't construct solid skeleton plot-line even using any kind of source which... symbolizes. You can make a house from playing cards but it will die from an easy windblow.
It is a fantasy setting filled with magic; I hardly have to get elaborate to suggest a reasonable explanation.
Ah, I've waited for that long time!
First, yes, magic. EXPLAINS everything, every stupid quest, every plot writer's mistake. "Oh, c'mon, forget about those holes, it's... M-A-G-I-C! No need to explain anything or make it sane and reasonable, fanbois will do this job for us, will make it look better than it is".
Now, the final question with my beloved example: Dragon Age. It has magic too. Why in the hell it IS reasonable and sane then? There is a logic behind almost every aspect/quest, devs used magic as background which makes the pattern on the picture prettier, but they never rely on it as the "ultimate explanation for everything". If there is a event or accident it has explanation why is that happened and, unlike other game, it does not left you empty with silly questions that make no sense, it gives answers, fills the emptiness.
D2 does not. It's plot is just a blur screen added to gameplay. Ofc, if the gameplay would be so great as devs think plot didn't matter, many games exist without real plot. But since the gameplay in D2 not so great, such situation shows all plot's errors and holes more brighter. Especially if you compare it with previous games in the series (DD, BD).
My point was that everything in the game was still just part of the game
See, you agree. A part. You can decompile the whole things to parts: plot (mostly dialogs/books/main quests), gameplay (battle system, game exploration, etc), graphics, sound part.
All those criteria used by game magazines, they old as the word. We can rate separate parts and then the whole picture use previous info as basis.
But well, if you say it's all gameplay - ok then, can't argue here. Looks like we all were wrong lol.
I concede that DAO is a far superior game, with a much better plot than D2:ED.
Yes, but better only by objective criteria. If someone likes D2 plot more - ok, I see no problem with subjective pov, I have one too.
Ok, now what does that mean for this particular quest?
The Ssassan quest was taken as the example, one of many. Why are you trying to isolate the whole point of convo and reduce it to some quest comparing it with whole plot of diff game?
But yeah, I know, you want it to make everything I say look silly, which is fun, consider the fact how many time you say the convo must be reasonable and yet acting childish at the same time.
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Larian should be called out for the lack of an explanation in-game.
Lack of real work on the game's plot. The writer must be fired asap if he had no enough guts to tell the director that plot suck ass.
It is likely Larian didn't explain Sassan's resurrection very much since they thought it was obvious
So, at first it had explanation, which you suggested earlier, and now it is obvious already? :o
I love it how often you change your opinion. Why it is so unstable? Are you unsure in your position already? ;P
