Thanks again for the help. I guess I was stuck on Orobas Fjords. I do have the shrine and have cleared the downhill path and the beach head. Tried to blow up some of the ballista's and got my wings clipped smile. I am having fun though I wish I was a two levels higher but I will go on. Should I send my runners for stuff for a while to get gold? I have two upgraded two of the runners Harry and the enchanter guy. Do you know how long it takes for them to get back. Thanks again for your help and time.