Larian Studios Forums Divinity II The Dragon Knight Saga / Flames of Vengeance (English) Divinity II - The Dragon Knight Saga Just finished the game. My one issue. Spoilers.

Well, she didn't overtook a mind. She couldn't control him, like in a case of posession, for example. She was just a voice he hears, but nobody one else does. So as I see it, Talana gave him his power, and died. He lost consciousness, and when he woke up, Ygerna started to talk to him. Probably, his weakened state of mind, after the ritual, and encounter with Talana, make him uniquely vulnerable. (Even Damien was unable to hear Ygerna, otherwise he would have found Hall of Echoes to free her on his own. But in our case his people worked against the hero.) And dragon knight had no reason not to trust this voice. It never happened to him before, and bec. it happened after his meeting Talana, he did not have doubts that it was her. And what she told him made sense in the light of the events he experienced.

I do not find any evidence that Talana might have been Ygerna all along. She didn't try to reach Lovis, or Maxos Temple, or to find a way into the Hall of Echoes. If she were controlled by Ygerna, it would be her goal. But she was just a dragon knight on the run.

That dream scene was not something that really happened. It was not the real Damian, and it was the Slayer who got head-stomped, not Talana. It was a vision Talana was projecting into the Slayer's head, the last act she did before she died.

The reason it led me to believe it was Talana who Damian stomped was the fact that after the dragon falls to the ground, and Damian stomps it, you return to Broken Valley where the same dragon lays dead on the Shrine and Talana's body is no longer there. So I assumed that Dragon was Talana. Also, if it was not the real Damian, how did he know the Slayer just had a vivid dream when he approaches you lying there on the shrine floor? The way he speaks of the dream leads me to believe it was actually him.

Even if it wasn't real, and that wasn't really Damian inside the dream, you could see how it would lead one to believe that it could have been real enough for Damian to affect reality through it.

It makes sense what you are saying about Talana dying after the dream, and Ygerna taking over once you wake up. I'm just not sure it's definitely the case, considering there is no definitive proof of any one particular moment where the voice the Slayer hears is no longer Talana, and becomes Ygerna.

I can't find the reference to the post by Larian, but they already explained it.

Talana is real and she bequeath her powers to her arch nemesis. She also gives you the vision priot to her death. One you wake up, Talana is dead and Ygerna is in your head. Since you have not undergone the mind ritual you are vulnerable to suggestion. This is what gives Ygerna the opportunity to impersonate Talana after her death.

I elaborated here.

From the dialog with the Divine:



Does this not imply that Ygerna was the one who showed you the vision, and was actually pretending to be Talana BEFORE she is actually dead? That text would seem to contradict anyone saying Ygerna gets in your head after the vision, rather than before.

It does rather. Shame, really, I preferred the idea of Talana also being conned by Ygerna, but I guess the likelihood of Talana being involved at all seems a bit slim with that in mind.

Yes Indeed. Hence:


But yeah, the vision was Talana's doing. I guess I pushed it a bit when I made the Divine - to a certain extent - an unreliable narrator. Confusion galore!

Thanks for that clarification. Can't speak for the others, but I'm easily confused as it is...

That was the same feeling from the other thread that Macbeth dug up. The story does get a bit confusing especially with characters providing slight misinformation and apparently loading screen text saying books may contain lies as well.

Gotta remember to bookmark some of these threads in case someone asks the questions again (which is likely to happen). Maybe a FAQ would be appropriate.

Thanks for clearing it up. In the end it's really whatever the developers say it is. So that is a fine explanation for me. When it comes to the story in most cases developers tend to like to leave it open to interpretation and mystery. It keeps the fans engaged in the story.

Yeah me too. My problem is I just read in to things too much.

You're welcome. The whole Talana/Ygerna thing should have been a bit clearer as it is so instrumental to the story. But other things are purposely left open to interpretation. A while back there was a thread where people were discussing the morality of the supposed 'good guys' versus the 'bad guys', i.e. the Divine versus Damian. Some saw it black and white, others supported Damian up to a point whereas others strictly sided with the Divine. That's great because we did want to have shades of grey in there and give Damian human motivations beyond the mere I-am-evil-and-therefore-want-world-domination ploy.

How was Ygerna able to reach out to the Dragon Knight and speak inside his/her head from within the Hall of Echoes? And how was she able to endure that long in the Hall of Echoes without all her memories being eaten?

All because she was "soul-forged" to Damian?

No, because story-tellers want that (it's kewl after all). Well, you see, it happens that normal human Ygerna is much powerful than anyone else in the Div2 Universe (it is not a typo, I meant Div2 universe, not Divinity one).

Please, stop paying so much attention to the Div2 story. It's a lightweight fairy tale, just like HarryPotter's one. It is not even close to P:T, Baldur's Gate or to the DAO.

Doesn not mean it's bad btw (we all loves fairy tales). It's just... there is nothing to analyze.

Re: Just finished the game?


Im stucked at Orobas Fjords....can't pass the 1st barrier? can you help me please?

Yes, I think so. I think what happened with Ygerna was similar to those three guys trapped in a dream. Untill you read their minds and give them some real objects (an apple, a drink, a health potion) they can't wake up.
Ygerna was trapped in a dream of a sorts in the Hall of Echoes, where the illusion of these guys executing her was a kind of a material prison. So we had to enther the Hall of Echoes physically, and physically destroy them, as if dismantlong her prison brick by brick. And after that she was able to wake up.
As I understand, she was trapped, and couldn't move on bec. of the soul forging with Damien. That's why he did it - while she was trapped, there was a chance to bring her soul back. Without it she would have been lost forever.

Near the barrier heading into the Fjords is a teleporter, it's on a ledge above the nest and to the right. It's on the island where the channel splits.

A random question, and possibly something obvious that went right over my head: what's the significance of the cat right at the end of the game? A random not-very-good guess is some new incarnation of Talana what with her "good kitty" comments, but I have to admit that's an extremely tenuous explanation, so I figure something I've overlooked.

And a second random question: the cat is sitting on a what appears to be a very tall structure some distance from Aleroth: Lovis' tower? It all looks rather green and pleasant, though, so does that mean that Damian's poisonous malaise has been lifted from Broken Valley? Though I suspect that's wishful thinking since it looked decidedly scabby last time I was there.

That cat would be Arhu, a reference to Divine Divinity. <ShamelessPlug>Which is now available practically for free at GOG.com</ShamelessPlug>

If you want more info, I'm sure MacBeth will come in here and write you a wall of text about it.