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I don't want items as reward for this fundraiser. In fact, I won't participate if there are items as reward here. 
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Sigh.... So you want the $666 reward, but you don't want any rewards? lol
Look, LordCrash, just raise your pledge and refuse to accept any rewards for that. If that is all you want to do then you don't need to participate in a fundraiser. Makes sense, right? Right?
If you still have money left over then you can decide if you want to help Larian even more and receive a unique in-game item for the weresheep as a thank-you in return.
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I want something SPECIAL (like a small video like dancing weresheep to Kirill's updated song in the credits or something like that) not an ordinary reward like an item. And if that's not possible, I don't want anything. I certainly don't want a unique-ingame item for the weresheep in D:OS, at least not because of this possible fundraiser (if they planned one anyway I wouldn't mind). It's just as simple as that. Nobody has to share my opinion but I won't change it. 
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You are confusing me. First you didn't want any rewards, now you just want dancing weresheep in the credits as a reward. ^^
If you would like dancing weresheep as reward, then just say so. Maybe we could choose that instead. But you are defintely not helping by constantly stating that you don't want a reward.
If you don't want a reward, then pledge as much as you can over Kickstarter and tell larian that you don't want anything in return. Simple.
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It's not that hard to understand.......Two possiblities: 1) a special "reward" chosen by Larian (and not by us, the vidoe was just an example for SPECIAL) 2) nothing (if Larian don't have time/intention to do anything in that direction I can up my personal pledge for sure. But I thought the fundraiser whould be a funny and exiting thing, something to test "the power of the weresheep" once again. I don't want any discussion about items or such things after the camapaign, that's pointless and only lead to arguing imo........ Btw you could up your pledge as well and design an item yourself.... 
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It's not that hard to understand.......Two possiblities:
1) a special "reward" chosen by Larian (and not by us, the vidoe was just an example for SPECIAL) 2) nothing (if Larian don't have time/intention to do anything in that direction
It's not that hard to understand.......One possiblity: Say that instead of stating 10 times that you don't want a reward. Btw you could up your pledge as well and design an item yourself.... You can up your pledge and ask for a dancing weresheep reward. Just write Swen an email and ask him if this possible. That would be much better than your attempted derailing of this thread.
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I don't care anymore, opting out.
Edit: Minimized derailing.
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A fundraising idea has been floating around for days now. Not to mention that the Wresheep were not "invented" by you alone (to be clear, I had no part in it though). But LordCrash needs as much attention and credit as he can get I guess.
Look, i was just trying to help this campaign by simply opening a thread so that we can discuss this and nothing more. I'm sorry that I did not ask you to open an "official" thread instead. Well, stupid me I guess. I should have known better.
It is shame that you have derailed this thread instead of trying to help Larian's campaign. I can only hope it gets back on track, Larian deserves it, even if it would only result in a few hundred dollars.
EDIT: LordCrash removed his statement about "inventing" the weresheep and that a fundraiser was his idea. But I'll just keep my post the way it is, just wanted to point that out to those who might be wondering.
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They should make conversation like this one between u two ingame haha that would be nice. Two weresheeps arguing about patch of grass whether to leave beautiful flower on it and eat the grass or eat both
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They should make conversation like this one between u two ingame haha that would be nice. Two weresheeps arguing about patch of grass whether to leave beautiful flower on it and eat the grass or eat both Our conversation was quite different, but yeah, that would be funny. hehe
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A fundraising idea has been floating around for days now. Not to mention that the Wresheep were not "invented" by you alone (to be clear, I had no part in it though). But LordCrash needs as much attention and credit as he can get I guess.
Look, i was just trying to help this campaign by simply opening a thread so that we can discuss this and nothing more. I'm sorry that I did not ask you to open an "official" thread instead. Well, stupid me I guess. I should have known better.
It is shame that you have derailed this thread instead of trying to help Larian's campaign. I can only hope it gets back on track, Larian deserves it, even if it would only result in a few hundred dollars.
EDIT: LordCrash removed his statement about "inventing" the weresheep and that a fundraiser was his idea. But I'll just keep my post the way it is, just wanted to point that out to those who might be wondering. Why so hostile? LC just stated how he saw things and you obviously misunderstood it, big deal and certainly no reason to start attacking each other by ranting about derailing and needing attention. Btw even if he hadn't (and I'm pretty sure he actually did) LC might as well have started the WoOS thing, he's certainly done enough to further it that it would hardly be an idle claim. That said, while I'm curious about the $666 reward I've already poured as much as I can realistically spare into the KS campaign (as have quite a lot of other WoOS I'm sure), so I'm not sure how successful an extra fundraiser could be. Either way, I'm curious what you all will come up with, preferably without further hostile arguments.
* as usual this is imho (unless stated otherwise); feel free to disagree, ignore or try to change my mind. Agreeing with me is ofc also allowed, but makes for much worse flamewarsarguments.
It is a full moon night and ... bèèè! ... the Weresheep are out...
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Well LC actually did started it together with me. One went making graphic and the other creating some lore.
And really this is getting a bit out of control. I'm also thinking we should get it set up if Larian allow us to and see what we get. All beyond 666 should go to Larian for just making the game better no strings attached.
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Well LC actually did started it together with me. One went making graphic and the other creating some lore. Cool, thanks to you both! And really this is getting a bit out of control. Agreed there. I'm also thinking we should get it set up if Larian allow us to and see what we get. All beyond 666 should go to Larian for just making the game better no strings attached. I think Larian sorting this out would be a good idea indeed.
* as usual this is imho (unless stated otherwise); feel free to disagree, ignore or try to change my mind. Agreeing with me is ofc also allowed, but makes for much worse flamewarsarguments.
It is a full moon night and ... bèèè! ... the Weresheep are out...
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Why so hostile? LC just stated how he saw things and you obviously misunderstood it, big deal and certainly no reason to start attacking each other by ranting about derailing and needing attention.
Btw even if he hadn't (and I'm pretty sure he actually did) LC might as well have started the WoOS thing, he's certainly done enough to further it that it would hardly be an idle claim.
You apparently have not read the whole thread. I did not misunderstand him, I hate this "do it my way or not at all" kind of attitude, i.e. I won't participate if it isn't run the way I like. I prefer to be democratic. Not to mention his constant back forth, "I want a reward, now I don't, now I do, but it has to be what I want which is the dancing weresheep for $666. Or something else, just not an item". Ridiculous. This lead to a derailing of the thread which really makes me mad, because Larian needs as much cash as they can get. And people will only participate in a fundraiser if the get something for it, even it is a small worthless weresheep branded item. And don't misunderstand me, everyone should get the item, not just those who participated in the fundraiser. All beyond 666 should go to Larian for just making the game better no strings attached. I argue that it will stop dead at $666 though, and larian can use all that they can get. But that is up for debate, I certainly will not threaten to not support a fundraiser if my recommendation is not accepted. That is LordCrash's tactic. lol I think Larian sorting this out would be a good idea indeed.
If it will work, then Larian has to figure it out themselves. We can of course give them some ideas, but that is about it. It is impossible to work something out if a certain person dislikes a recommendation, and threatens to not support a fund raising because of this (yes, I mean you LordCrash).
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Well i think 666 number is so iconic thats why imo we should raise just that much and thats it. If u participated in this then thats great privilege if not well ... u just didnt. There are so many other ways to help Larian raise up money so if u really want to give them smt and u will miss this WOOS fundrasing u will still have a chance somewhere else. As for reward imo it should be some kind of surprise whether its quest/item/npc/animation/nothing it should be up to Larian to decide.
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I have the beginning of an idea... How about there being a fundraiser in the actual game, like a mayor of a town is raising funds to build a weresheep farm or something like that? The real world fundraiser (which would obviously take place way before the game comes out) could be reflected in the game in various ways dependant on the total amount raised in real life (and in the game, which would be the same). Obviously nothing too demanding since it'd be silly to spend all the money from a fundraiser on the reward for a fundraiser, but I think in an RPG little things can go a long way. How much a success the farm is could be reflected simply through dialogue with no new assets needed to be created - the more successful the farm, the wider reaching its influence is and people will have heard of it far and wide. Even some orc tribes or whatever may be planning a raid on it. Again, just text and maybe the odd item for flavour.
Just the basics of an idea, but I think this kind of incorporation into the finished game, purely through flavour text and maybe a couple of NPCs here and there, would be an appreciated thing for us RPG fans. There could even be a list of the weresheep on the farm somewhere, and their names are all taken from the contributors to the real life fundraiser.
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I would suggest getting the figures to $666 as an add-on first THEN think of what to do with the rest of the money.
Codex did it. First they had a 1k goal, then it was stretched to 2.5k with the codex versus rpgwatch idea.
Alternatively, we could let the developers give us an idea what to do with the excess money like they did with codex. You never know, everyone in the fund might be named after some weresheeps!
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Why so hostile? LC just stated how he saw things and you obviously misunderstood it, big deal and certainly no reason to start attacking each other by ranting about derailing and needing attention.
Btw even if he hadn't (and I'm pretty sure he actually did) LC might as well have started the WoOS thing, he's certainly done enough to further it that it would hardly be an idle claim.
You apparently have not read the whole thread. I did not misunderstand him, I hate this "do it my way or not at all" kind of attitude, i.e. I won't participate if it isn't run the way I like. I prefer to be democratic. Not to mention his constant back forth, "I want a reward, now I don't, now I do, but it has to be what I want which is the dancing weresheep for $666. Or something else, just not an item". Ridiculous. This lead to a derailing of the thread which really makes me mad, because Larian needs as much cash as they can get. And people will only participate in a fundraiser if the get something for it, even it is a small worthless weresheep branded item. And don't misunderstand me, everyone should get the item, not just those who participated in the fundraiser. I did read the entire thread (it's not exactly long enough to start skipping posts) before posts started getting edited and I stand by my reaction, LC tried to explain the same thing in multiple ways until you understood what he meant. he tried to give examples which you took as actual demands instead of what they were: examples. Arguably he did a pretty bad job explaining as it took a lot of back and forth. Personally I thought it was rather clear that he didn't want a physical reward but more of a "gesture", something I can agree with fwiw. I will agree that his opening post and general tone on the subject could be seen to have a rather confronting tone. I guess I deal with hackers ( in the *real* sense of the word) more often than most do so I am rather less sensitive to this kind of bluntness than most others. I do think it is his full right to state that he won't support something he disagrees with, that only sounds like common sense to me. It's not because the faction I voted for lost that I'll suddenly agree that the ones that won are right. All beyond 666 should go to Larian for just making the game better no strings attached. I argue that it will stop dead at $666 though, and larian can use all that they can get. But that is up for debate, I certainly will not threaten to not support a fundraiser if my recommendation is not accepted. That is LordCrash's tactic. lol I dare say he is entitled to his opinion just like you are free to disagree with him. Just for the record (and to not dedicate this entire post to "drama") I already donated an amount that has money "fall off" due to not being enough for a next tier up nor for any addon rewards. Altruism isn't entirely dead (though the news might often lead you to believe otherwise) I think Larian sorting this out would be a good idea indeed.
If it will work, then Larian has to figure it out themselves. We can of course give them some ideas, but that is about it. It is impossible to work something out if a certain person dislikes a recommendation, and threatens to not support a fund raising because of this (yes, I mean you LordCrash). I would appreciate it if you would stop the ad-hominems and sort stuff out with LC instead of driving a bigger rift between you two. If neither of you wants to do the latter then I'd at least appreciate the former.
* as usual this is imho (unless stated otherwise); feel free to disagree, ignore or try to change my mind. Agreeing with me is ofc also allowed, but makes for much worse flamewarsarguments.
It is a full moon night and ... bèèè! ... the Weresheep are out...
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Guys, you should really stop talking about me though I appreciate your support and even your critique....(-> back to topic) dlux and me, we have our differences, but I like him anyway. 
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So what have we decided now that the flames as past? Account being created? Where can I throw money ? 
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