Originally Posted by Someguy1963
Raze, The post on this forums is still titled with the partial lie of "GOG, Steam, Vault etc... No differences"!.

Except, of course, that Steamworks can only be used with the Steam version. As was stated in the original post (and as should be known to anyone familiar with either Steam or GOG). The post was about compatibility, ie if DRM free and Steam versions would be able to play together, not how. It has been updated to describe multiplayer in more detail.


Originally Posted by Someguy1963
The more you try and defend this deceptive slimeball tactic the worse you make yourself and Larian look.

I have brought up facts and used logic. I conceded that the original 'no differences' post was not clear, and that when more details about multiplayer were available Larian didn't update this information everywhere they could have (though it was easy enough to find if anyone was following the game, searched or asked somewhere). I have never blamed anyone for misinterpreting unclear statements.

How has your behaviour made you look?



Originally Posted by g113276
Sorry, but I don't believe that.

The reason that is so hard to believe is because it is not what I wrote. Did you even read what you quoted?
Since the online multiplayer lobby was mentioned publicly (during the D:OS kickstarter, etc) it was always Steamworks. Earlier in development I'm sure Larian looked at the cost and development time required for other options, but when announced it was stated that it was Steamworks, and there would be an unspecified non-Steamworks option (as well as LAN). Later it was specified that DRM free versions would use a direct connection for online multiplayer.

When the 'no differences' post was made, what I wrote was that the multiplayer for the DRM free version was not finalized, not that none of the multiplayer was started on yet. Steamworks / LAN / direct connection were all in place.


Originally Posted by g113276
That does not necessarily mean it's using steam for the master browser in the drm free version.

Technically, stating that online multiplayer is Steamworks doesn't necessarily rule out the possibility of another lobby system being used for the DRM free versions, but if Larian was going to create their own lobby system, there would be no need to use the Steamworks one.
Larian did repeatedly say the online lobby was Steamworks, though, not that you could use Steamworks or a different lobby.
That should have been explicitly stated in the 'no differences' topic when it was said that the DRM free versions could (obviously) not use Steamworks.


Originally Posted by g113276
EinTroll: Well, the only accusation I can read in this thread is from some mod who tells us things that are received by me like "It's your fault, you didn't read right".

Just because you agree with an accusation, doesn't mean it is not an accusation.
I brought up facts to refute accusations that Larian tried to deliberately deceive people. I never blamed anyone for misinterpreting statements that I concede were unclear. You making that accusation repeatedly does not make it correct.



Originally Posted by 10gb
Instead of understanding and providing a solution, the customers meet disrespectful developers' behaviour, which is trying to put the fault on the customers/victims of their marketing lies.

What exactly leads you to believe that I [as EinTroll noted, a forum moderator, not developer] or Larian do not understand your position? I have never been disrespectful, and have never blamed people for misinterpreting statements that I concede were unclear.

It is entirely possible to disagree with someone without being disrespectful. It is entirely possible to bring up facts to refute a specific statement, while understanding or even agreeing with the bulk of what somebody has said.