Larian Studios Forums Divinity - Original Sin Divinity Original Sin - Beta It takes too long to afford gear and skills.

Well then, should it be easy to be good? The path of the Righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, blablabla.

Seriously guys, it was just for the sake of the argument, as stated. I do agree that stealing is a bit too much low risk/high reward in its current state. Arguably, let's face it, that is the case almost every time a RPG gives players the opportunity to steal to a significant degree. Stealing in a Bethesda RPG is a joke. Stealing in the original Fallout game can litterally break the game, and it is as easy as spending a few ability points on a character sheet.

Now, I'm not advocating for theft (nor the removal of the feature, in fact). That being said, we have to bear in mind that PC theft opens up its own Pandora's box at some point or another if the developpers wish to make it a significant feature and not some fluff mechanic to rob a coin or two from the local townfolks.

And I stand by my previous suggestion to have quest rewards be more substantial, and perhaps have monsters drop a bit of coin here and there on a more regular basis.

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Maybe there could be some kind of "Shoplifter" trait you get for stealing 50 items, than another "upgraded version" of the trait at 100 Items ("Thief"), and another upgraded version at 250/500 stolen items ("Kleptomaniac"). These traits would have a negative side-effect for your reputation ( and/or initial disposition), although I'm not sure what the positive sides would be. It should make sense, because if you do it enough, even if no one sees you, there are bound to be a lot of times you steal before or after an NPC sees you and suspicious would rise.

Would that be a satisfactory downside to stealing everything?




The loot system probably doesn't need a huge amount of fixing, just some tweaking.
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I think it makes a lot of sense that when a lot of things go missing when you're around would translate to distrust in the PCs.

Honestly, I think it should just have a negative effect, since the positive effect is the wealth increase.

Another way of doing it is also, like I suggested earlier, making it harder to do (say if you are caught sneaking around by an NPC they check your inventory for non-gold stuff you might've stolen, and take it back with a reputation hit on said NPC, etc.). This encourages spending ability/skill points on stealth abilities and lockpicking etc. in order to find ways around the NPCs and get in and out without bringing attention to oneself.

In general, either a more difficult system for thieving successfully, or an accruing reputation penalty (kind of like in Bethesda Fallout, negative karma per theft) for heavy theft.

What my entire goal is about, as many have probably seen elsewhere, is making choices appear to be choices of enjoyment or reward, not choices of practical superiority or gimping oneself. I think the increase in penalties/difficulty for thievery makes it an OPTION rather than a COMPULSION, which the extra wealth for time investment is simply tremendous at this point, and thus feels compulsory to do it.

Nothing should end up just being notably superior at completing and enjoying the game; every choice should be a choice of "I want to" rather than "I should (lest I suffer)" in the ideal enjoyable game experience though, I believe.

So here it would be preferable to have "I want to invest in thievery over combat skills so I can use the wealth for gear and extra skills etc (and because it is fun)" instead of "I should steal since it takes no real investment and significantly improves my combat odds, whereas not thieving does nothing for me practically (lest I suffer for being poorer than most characters and have more trouble needlessly)".