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Not quite. I don't really use it that much, but it's a useful way to make enemies come to you and not spend your valuable AP's moving to the opponent.

If you're allowed to move wherever you want in the turn queue it would just be overpowered.

Yeah, I'd like that change as well, although I actually haven't really used delay turns much.

Neither did I, but just because they are quite useless at the moment.

I did notice that if my highest-initiative Rogue used Delay turns, then he got the turn at the end of the round, and then goes again immediately again at the start of the next, which could be really powerful, since you don't have to worry about enemies moving after your turn.

I didn't even respond to interrupts, just the ability to move your teams movement to any free slot you desire instead of only at the end...

The difference between X-Com is there... your teams turn. Opponents turn. Teams turn. Opponents turn.

Obviously, that is NOT the case here, where stats deside your order in a turn, and it could very well be your entire teams actions get intersplit by enemy actions.

It's an entirely different system of setting up 'turns' and you can't just interchange stuff because it works in 1, it might not in the other.

I wouldn't expect a delay turn option to give the player the mean to choose when exactly he wants to play his turn. It kind of feels like cheating, really... I think that, in Heroes of Might and Magic, you could delay your turn, but it still wasn't giving you the power to choose when to play the unit's turn, it was just... delaying it. Not sure what the maths were though, as it wasn't skipping a WHOLE turn. It was just pushing the unit's turn down a few steps, maybe like half a turn or something.

However I haven't been using the "delay turn" funtion. While my experience from previous turn-based games taught me it's nice to have, I never really used it in previous Alpha builds. Nor did I need it in the current beta build. I've been using the cheated Bullet Spray ability, so the fights were over or almost over in one turn anyway.

I also have not played many of the mentioned games or tabletops, but did dable in some D&D. And I don't know how the OP played it, but for me it was always "heroes act", "opponents act". Sure, we could choose amongst ourselves which of us went first, second etc. but like X-Com it's not the same as here where a turn isn't one side's actions, and the next turn another, but one turn rules everyone.

What kind of crazy D&D gaming is that?

Usually a DM makes one initiative check for the monsters, but 1) he can split them into individual checks for the monsters if he wants and 2) depending on how he rolls those monsters turn can end up anywhere between the individual player's turn for that round.

So, you can end up with a turn order that looks like this: Warrior Jane, Rogue Jack, Cleric Bob, 15 orcs, Wizard Tom

It's pretty much just like how Divinity : OS combat turns play out.

Of course, DM's can do whatever they want, so if yours always did players first and then monsters, then that must have been his preference.

I will honestly admit I didn't play all those games you mentioned. So I may be a bit narrow-minded, even if I agree a "delay turn" ability should NOT be a "skip turn" ability. "Defend" should skip the turn in exchange for improved defense. Delay should just change the order.

I just have a hard time, coming from turn-based games where you couldn't precisely tell WHEN you wanted your turn to occur, imagining how it works. What I meant by "cheating" is that when you suspect that a long string of foes' actions will kill one of your guys, being able to manually place your healer's turn right in the middle of the foes' actions to heal whoever is about to get killed IS kind of cheating. KIND. Sure, it's strategic : you delay your healer turn so that he can be available to heal at the proper time. But it also counteracts the fact that maybe you could and should have performed better earlier so that the threatened guy wouldn't be in a position to be threatened to begin with.

Or just the opposite : put your big damage dealer's turn just before the enemy healer's so that your guy will kill the healer or damage him, resulting in him having to choose if he should heal himself or his companions. Sure, that's tactics, too. But it's kind of ignoring the whole initiative and speed system. Well "speed" is emulated by AP actually, it's not "same player got multiple occasions to act in-between his opponents' turns".

Maybe "delaying" should place your char action just after the next ally in line, or skip half a turn. I don't really think it should be accurate. Or maybe a bit random, but I don't like randomness.

edit : anyway there are unbalanced skills, which are probably on higher priority, indeed. Then and only then will how a "delay turn" function actually needs to perform occurs to us all.

Usually you WANT to act first in a turn based game, because this way you can hinder, damage or even kill your enemy before he can even react.