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Just a word about the smart drop system which was mentionned, in a game with fix classes, you can have a smart drop system providing you an item you can wear with suitable bonus, but in a game like the Divinity you can build up your character the way you want so the way you want to balance his stats is entirely up to you. In those conditions, it is hard to judge what is or is not a suitable loot so talking about smart drop system is in my opinion irrelevant

You don't have the option of looking at a class, but you can certainly look at the chosen skills and attributes.

You can also go the more open route of popping up a (limited) choice of items and telling the player to choose one as a reward.

Many games do this and to be honest, the whole "You always get what you want perfectly tailored to you" is one of the things that is killing gaming in general. The whole point is that you may not get what you want, you may get lucky, you may not and if it is such a big issue that you have to have something specific, just cheat to get it and not expect the basic game features themselves to hand you exactly what you were expecting.

I think this should be fixed, because while it might not be a bug, it's certainly bad game mechanics.

It is too easy and too tempting to abuse this. Even if I wouldn't personally use it, the option of using it would be constantly there which would give me negative feeling. Like somebody said, they use it only if they get crappy loot. Thus, every time you get loot, you start wondering whether it's crappy enough? Should you reload?

I think this should be fixed, because while it might not be a bug, it's certainly bad game mechanics.

It is too easy and too tempting to abuse this. Even if I wouldn't personally use it, the option of using it would be constantly there which would give me negative feeling. Like somebody said, they use it only if they get crappy loot. Thus, every time you get loot, you start wondering whether it's crappy enough? Should you reload?

couldn't care less about this non-issue, b/c it does not break the game for those not willing/wanting to cheat. if you don't like it ignore it and you gonna sleep well again. no point in putting already scarce resources into that.

I think this should be fixed, because while it might not be a bug, it's certainly bad game mechanics.

It is too easy and too tempting to abuse this. Even if I wouldn't personally use it, the option of using it would be constantly there which would give me negative feeling. Like somebody said, they use it only if they get crappy loot. Thus, every time you get loot, you start wondering whether it's crappy enough? Should you reload?

Yes, there are just a number of reasons to remove "save scumming" whenever possible, just as there are a number of reasons to remove the potential for infinite XP from summoned minions. It's sloppy, it can be bad for game balance, and it's surprising to even have a loophole like this in the game.

The excuse of these flaws "only impacting those who abuse them because this is a single player game" is a poor excuse and flawed logic that can be applied to anything, all the way up to an optional "God Mode". It only impacts the player using it, right?

At some point the developers have to decide whether or not they mind having an exploitable mechanic like this in the game. If this "feature" is going to remain intact, then the developers should completely embrace it rather than leaving it as is: pop open a menu displaying the entire loot table whenever someone opens one of these special containers and instruct the player to pick X number of items from it. At least that way they're playing the game rather than gaming a weakness in the design.

Or, pick a better way to spawn loot so it can't be as easily abused - optional or not. Exploits are generally optional to begin with, but that never stopped us from suggesting they were fixed.

I don't mind MOBs offering different random loot once an encounter is defeated because you have to defeat the encounter each time to access a reward. But this process:

1) Loot container
2) Reload saved game
3) Repeat step 1

..until you get something you like is silly and broken.

By that logic we might as well have left the infinite summons XP bug in, and yet we requested they fix that as well (and they did). After all, players had to make an effort to abuse it, so it could otherwise be ignored (making it a non-issue by your definition).

The option for you to download a saved game editor, use of the development kit, a hex editor or to use the developer codes to cheat exist as well and are extremely easy to implement. So what will you do now?

In-game. Out-of-game. Seriously, why are you being so obtuse about this? The reason they would fix the summons XP is because it can be achieved through in-game play and was NOT intended to be as such. Save scumming is an out-of-game means, no different than someone using a console code, hex editor, world editor, etc...

Not run strange executables on my computer?

I like how you're trying to compare all that hoop jumping to simply re-loading a saved game, as if they're equally practical and tempting alternatives.

And by "like", I mean "that's silly".

You can try and repaint reality all you want, but using the in-game "load game" function is a far cry from running a hex editor to manipulate data or breaking out the world editor. That you keep trying to label the game's save/load feature as an "out-of-game" tool and lumping it in with "hex editing" is just ridiculous.

The rest of your argument is nonsense as well. I mentioned improving the loot system because the consensus in this thread seems to be that receiving rewards which are of no use to your party is generally not fun. And it seems to be one of the reasons people want to keep "save scumming" intact. Hence, fixing that problem would make "save scumming" less desirable for people wanting to keep it intact.

Better luck analyzing my motives next time, detective.

Never heard of a developer console command? Then there is of course the developer kit which will most likely allow you some sort of editing properties of the save files. As for practical, those are far more practical than save scumming..

but hey... you also seem afraid of files on the internet which means likely all of these solutions I am giving you are a bit above your technical skills. /shrug

I know the system you are suggesting. I see tons of games released these days with those loot systems.

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NM

Something was eating at me with your responses. I kept thinking... these are "mainstream" game arguments, the same things that have completely destroyed the industry with ridiculous features and demands concerning the game.

Then I started reading some of your other responses in other threads. I was right on target with my assumptions. Discussing with you is a waste of time.


Off to ignore you go!