Originally Posted by aimend
Originally Posted by Gyson
The "Obedient" trait awards an extra bonus to the Leadership trait buff *to the player who has a positive Obedient score*. The "extra bonus" it's referring to is +1 to the Willpower ability score through the Leadership trait buff.

This can seem confusing because the trait "Independent" (which is the opposite of the trait "Obedient") also gives +1 to the Willpower ability score.

I'm not sure if that's how it's supposed to work, but that does seem to be the way it's currently working. While the Independent trait and Obedient trait are on opposite sides of the scale, it is possible they are meant to both award players with a bonus to the Willpower ability score, albeit through different means.

Not really.
An excellent game design should be simple and brief, if a trait provides some skill bonus, it is supposed to work on the very skill but the effect of the skill.

You said leadership trait buff gives +1 willpower bonus, that depends.

My screenshots at #495499 showed the fact which was based on rank 1 leadership skill. Only rank 4 or higher Leadership skill will give +1 willpower bonus, and this bonus is provided by the Leadership rank 4+ skill itself, not the bonus from the trait "Obedient".


I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from here, although maybe I'm just misunderstanding the complaint. The setup I described is very simple to test and confirm.

"Obedient" : awards an extra bonus to the Leadership trait buff *to the player who has a positive Obedient score*. The "extra bonus" it's referring to is +1 to the Willpower ability score through the Leadership trait buff.

"Independent" : awards +1 to the Willpower ability score (the same as "Obedient", but without requiring the Leadership trait buff to deliver the boost.

"Leadership" : provides a buff to members of the party, but not to the character who is supplying the buff to the party. If a party member receiving the buff has the "Obedient" trait, the Leadership buff will also supply them with a boost to their Willpower ability score.

And that's all there is to the whole thing. We're all on the same page with this part, right?

I can provide screenshots showing all this if necessary, but it would be easier to test yourselves. Simply throw two new characters together, make sure one of them has 1 point in Leadership, run to the guards at the bridge prior to Cyseal and comply with them to get the Obedience buff, and you can clearly see how Leadership and Obedience interact by noting who has what buff (and mousing over the buff to see the details).