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It's about sqrt(5e3-1e2) euros, and as I believe, int(x^3,x=0..sqrt(sqrt(360))) in $

Not you don't have to search the internet for it anymore!

About 69.99€ - check the Larian Vault for the price in $ since you are in the US (stays in € for Canada).

Thanks for the additional info!

And if I want to buy the retail Collector's Edition (for the physical stuff), would it be possible to get my Steam Early Access repayed?

(I really want this physical CE...)

I doubt, this will be possible. But the collector's edition comes with additional 2 Steam keys - so you can trade one of them if you like.

I think you're still essentially losing a key at that point.

Thing is, if you went through Kickstarter you get a CE and alpha/beta access - all included in the same price.

If you went through Steam's Early Access program (which was more expensive, by the way), you only get alpha/beta access. You can get a CE as well, but now you're essentially buying the game twice (and at higher prices).

Obviously Steam Early Access is getting the short end of the stick there, essentially backfiring on people who helped support the game early by placing them in a position where they have to pony up money twice if they want a Collector's Edition version of Divinity : OS.

I do really think there should be a discount price on the CE for Steam Early Access purchasers, but I have my doubts that will happen.

Kickstarter backers had the option of digital or physical tiers, and the lowest tier with the physical collector's edition was US$95 (plus shipping, for those not in the US or much of Europe), so more than the Steam price.

Steam Early Access buyers knew when they bought the game it was digital, and knew or could have easily found out that there would be a retail release. If they wanted a retail release they could simply have waited.

There will be an upgrade option for the digital version of the Collector's Edition. Which AFAIK is what a large majority of Early Access buyers would want.

But you will miss out on all the sweet physical goods of course...

whether you pledge the KS campaign for a digital tier or you buy the SEA, the situation is exactly the same.
If you want the digital content : upgrade your version
If you want the goodies : buy the CE, you can still sell your 2 steam keys then...

And as said before, Kickstarter and SEA gave you the opportunity to pay the game at a lower price than the release price AND you could play to the alpha and beta version giving your advices and feedbacks

It's not exactly the same, though.

Someone who purchased the physical CE through Kickstarter gets all the physical goodies *and the game on Steam* all for one price ($95).

To get the same thing, someone who purchased through Steam Early Access (and wants the physical CE) had to purchase the game on Steam ($40) *and* then purchase the physical CE ($95). That's a total of $135 for the same thing someone got for $95 through Kickstarter.

The point is, there is no upgrade option for the physical CE for Steam Early Access users. There will be an upgrade path to some sort of Digital Deluxe Edition, but that obviously won't include the physical items, and we don't know what the cost of it will be (hopefully not $95 since it's offering far less content).

That's really just scratching the surface, as Kickstarter backers get more for their $95 than Early Access backers do (namely the artbook, kickstarter potion, engraving tool, message in the woods, name in credits, etc).

It is what it is and not likely to change. All I'm saying is let's not suggest it's the same deal when it clearly isn't. Implying otherwise is not really a fair comment to people who supported the development through SEA.

I believe a lot of the time projects funded through Kickstarter give backers, the earliest supporters a bit better of a deal for supporting early at the critical time.

Of course there is no upgrade to the PHYSICAL CE path on the DIGITAL DISTRIBUTION site. That would make no sense.

kickstarter backers VS SEA buyer is a touchy topic and I don't wanna go there again !!
but one thing ! yeah the ones who pledged 95$ will get it, but if you pledge less (for example if you only pledge for the digital version) there is no way for you to upgrade your pledge so the situation is the same for the backers who pledged less than 95$ and the SEA buyers....

That's a fair enough point. That isn't always the case with all crowdfunded games (some allow you to continue upgrading at any point), but seems to be the setup here.


At the same time, it's not unusual for sales through Steam to offer their own kind of exclusive pre-order reward. I find myself wondering how Kickstarter backers would react if there were digital items not available to them that were available as a pre-order/digital deluxe incentive through Steam? Do you think they would complain about feeling penalized for backing through Kickstarter?

I agree that the topic is touchy. There's no way that someone is not going to feel left out.

Kickstarter backers often pledge extra to try and support a product they really like. In the current situation, a few of them are indeed complaining that there's a CE available for non-backers.

People who missed the Kickstarter and Steam EA backers would also be upset if there was no way for them to get a special edition.

I will say this:

Chaotica, those who pledged on kickstarter and wanted a physical collectors edition had the opportunity to pledge at the $95 physical tier to get it. There were 179 of them left at close, so it seems like a situation where they were sold out and there was no way to get it. A lot of Kickstarters only allow slacker backing for one month, because devs need to know how much money they have and plan for that. If they couldn't afford to get it then, and couldn't slacker-back, well, that sucks, but there's not much which can reasonably be done.

Gyson, those who bought the game through Steam Early Access knew they were getting a digital-only game. That's the nature of Steam. They could have done research or asked if a physical CE was happening.

It could be that Larian didn't do any EA bonuses to avoid annoying Kickstarter backers, but perhaps also to try and make sure that those who wanted EA were diong so for the intended purpose - to give feedback and bug-test, not because it was cheaper or for a fancy bonus.

._. you must read games before buying. it was clear it was a basic edition..

And now.. I am going to open a can of angry worms...
*gets her barrier ready*

There is zero point in having a digital collectors edition. Any "Digital" bonus for the game, could easily be replicated in the toolkit.

Not true:
- Soundtrack.
- "Making of D:OS" documentary
- Art book
- Digital map

The trunks are probably duplicateable in the editor, but it depends on how complicated Larian makes the interaction with the story and world.

I mean in game digital items. If they wanted the soundtrack and artbook. Making of the game and all. It might end up for sale after release~

EDIT: I am not sure what the original poster is after. so I just guessed in game items ._.

Just to reiterate, I was specifically hypothesizing about a pre-order/digital deluxe incentive through Steam, not an early access bonus (as the former are typical, although SEA bonuses are fairly common also).

However, on the topic of making sure SEA people were buying for the intended purpose (I'm sure making money for additional development was also part of the intended purpose, but let's leave that aside) : you mentioned "those who bought the game through Steam Early Access knew they were getting a digital-only game. That's the nature of Steam. They could have done research or asked if a physical CE was happening." - Well.. that's part of the problem.

1) The question regarding CE's had come up before when SEA began, but Larian Studios only seemed willing to touch on it much more recently.

2) There was no way for someone to be a fan "collector" with the physical CE *and* join SEA "for the right reasons" (to help provide feedback on an project they liked) without paying for the game multiple times.

See, if we are to assume that people were using SEA "for the right reasons" (to help a game idea they loved), and if we are to assume the SEA backers "knew they were getting a digital-only game", then we can argue that perhaps these are Divinity: Original Sin's biggest fans. Because apparently they still came for the right reasons *despite* the fact that they knew that, ultimately, they were going to get the short end of the stick on CE pricing come launch.

So, let us at least take a moment to both applaud and pity Divinity : OS's biggest fans.. the SEA backers.

Heh.

Only Kickstarter backers get the art book right now.

Maybe it'll show up as a digital deluxe reward.

Although, then I would have to buy a Digital Deluxe edition and a physical CE.

Sorry, guys, but I still don't get the problem:

What is wrong with buying a physical CE when you already have the game via Steam early access and then trading the spare Steam keys which come with CE?