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yeay, reading this thread i constantly shook my head...well, i'm able to understand, but not to follow these arguments

come on, stop your egalitarianism, there were different offers to take for supportung/purchasing at different points in time - that's life, grow up and deal with it! (no offense meant)

For $95 a Kickstarter CE purchaser ends up with:

1 steam key (which s/he is currently playing with right now)
2 extra steam keys

For $135 an SEA CE purchaser ends up with:

1 steam key (which s/he is currently playing with right now)
2 extra steam keys

You're suggesting selling selling one of the keys (I guess to recoup some of the funds?). But there are several problems here:

1) Those keys are currently selling on trade for ~$15-$20, and likely to get lower post-launch as sales roll around (particularly the Steam summer sale). That's not enough to make up the difference of the extra costs.

2) As an SEA user you're losing a key (in the hopeless attempt to spend as little as the Kickstarter user) that the Kickstarter user doesn't has to lose.

In other words, if both the SEA and Kickstarter user sell all their extra keys, the Kickstarter user is still coming ahead on price. There is no way for the SEA user to pay the same amount as the Kickstarter user for the same amount of content (because the Kickstarter user essentially got the initial SEA $40 purchase included in his CE purchase for free).

There is nothing at all wrong with that.

I was simply elaborating because Elwyn seemed to be under the impression that the SEA user would have an extra key over the Kickstarter user, be able to sell it, and then essentially end up having paid the same price (which is not the case at all).

At least, that's the impression I got from her comment. I may be totally off on that.


Well, to be fair I suspect the majority of the active posters on this forum are Kickstarter users, so there's likely a little bias at work here in some of these outlooks. I suspect this conversation would go very differently on the Steam forums (for the same reasons.. bias from the other side).

I was actually referring to the problem people seem to have that they first paid for Steam early access and then, as CE was announced, they wanted to buy CE and did not know what to do with their SEA key (and wanted to get a refund for it or asked larian to get a discount for CE instead)

As for kickstarter backers, it is a completely different story - Kickstarter backers usually get a discount/bonuses/goodies etc for their support in the (early) game development. I am actually quite surpised to see the CE discussion somehow revolve around Kickstarter backers and that they get additional steam keys with the collector edition. The point is during the campaign you could add an extra D:OS key for as little as 20$ and no one seems to complain that in SEA you do not get such a discount. So, why should one then be upset if Kickstarter backers also get a better deal for the collector's edition?

That's going to come down to a debate (which has happened on these forums before) about the value of Kickstarter versus Steam Early Access, both of which were financially important to the game's development. Divinity : OS wouldn't be the game it is now without the additional funding from both platforms.

However, having that debate on these forums would be pointless, as 1) most of the active posters here are Kickstarter backers and this isn't exactly neutral territory, and 2) the "earlier bird gets the worm and then some" mentality and how it applies to rewards is unusually strong with gamers.

Let's just say I don't hold Kickstarter funding to the same superior level over SEA funding that others tend to do, and leave it at that.

well actually you triggered this debate again pointing out on THAT topic that it was unfair that KS backers and SEA buyers does not get the same thing at the same price...



@ Gyson and @Stabbey as I said in earlier posts, back in time the CE did not include what it included today, and to be honest I was a bit disapointed by that "too classical" CE. Then Larian said that they will possibly make another collector edition but they did not really think about it. They never said that this eventual collector edition would be shipped to the one who pledged on the KS physical collector.
And that is why I decided to buy the simplest edition to get the KS features and to buy then the collector edition, personally I don't complain, I did it on purpose
so See Gyson, I am a fan, I supported Larian for what you call the "right reason" and I will still buy the collector

oh and PS : if you don't wanna "scale" the importance of KS vs SEA, just see them as 2 special offer you can get at 2 different time : is it normal that during a sale weekend people will get the same game than you for a lower price?!

a Last thing, check your maths :
1 key from your original pledge (KS, or SEA)
2 keys from the CE
you can sell 2 keys

That's what I said, isn't it? Or am I misunderstanding your comment?



The "sell 2 keys" bit is covered towards the end.

Holy hell are you still rambling about the KS vs. SEA importance? I was having this conversation with you months ago.....let it go. I don't see what they could do with a digital CE anyway because there isn't much that's digital about the CE....cloth map and decks of cards and you're buying multiple copies of the game....the disc is DRM free install and play and you get two steam keys. Want multiple copies? Buy the box.

Divine Divinity and Beyond Divinity are incredibly cheap so buy them separately if you really want....they're worth it, awesome games....and for a lot less than $95. I don't see what you're missing....Zandalor's Trunks and the golden cup thing are very minor things mods are likely to bring you anyway.

What are you still rambling about, man? Let the dead horse rest.

ok I have not really understand that, but ok, the only thing I did not quite get is the

LoL. What's with this mentality?

What does it matter if we're having this discussion? The topic came up over the course of a related discussion. If you bothered to look back a few posts you would have seen that we're all pretty much of the mind of not getting into "KS vs. SEA importance", as you put it.

That said, you need to understand that topics go on without you. If you're done talking about that particular topic, then be done with. You don't have to wait until everyone else is finished with it. If you're going to go into every thread and spam it with a statement akin to "I'm tired of talking about this topic, so stop talking about it!" you're going to 1) be at this forever and 2) create far more spam/noise than the people who were doing just fine having a conversation without you.

My advice: don't have this unhealthy expectation to be included in all discussions, nor expect the conversation to end permanently the moment you tire of it.

In regards to the CE, all that statement means is that it basically sucks for the SEA backer to have to sell off all his bonus Steam keys just to try and break even with the Kickstarter backer (who is getting the better price deal regardless of whether he sells his Steam keys or not).

I guess that's a better way to type it.

*drops candies behind her* ..let's go for a walk...

Ok Kick Starter. The bloodflow of the game. They should be getting the better end of things
(and before anyone tries to bring it up. I am NOT a kick starter backer. I am a steam early access player)

*drops more candies* ....

The debate is kinda pointless, I apologize for having to point that out...but really..

To those worrying about the extra items, seriously how many times will you use them? A cloth map you will have open for the first week or two of the game..perhaps display it on the wall.. til you forget about it.

Making of the game Dvd..watch it once an it start gathering dust after.

Sound track..this one I can see being nice, but I bet you can just find the files for the music in the game directory o.o

The dice? well just go to your local book store, most carry Dungeons and Dragons books and the Dice for it. Buy dice you want, they are cheap...not really sure what you will use them for though ._.


I whole lot of negativity on the forums lately..kinda a downer to come on them.I am super excited for the release and wish others could find joy in the upcoming event also.

You mean all the Steam buyers that actually want the physical CE, and didn't know before they bought that the digital and retail versions would be separate? I'm thinking that is a very small group.

The only problem with this brought up in the Steam discussions quickly became moot when it was mentioned there would be a digital CE and an upgrade option.

My point exactly!! Nothing to do about it, let it go. But yes, I am incredibly hyped for this game and this year there are A LOT of games I'm getting but none have me excited as Original Sin. I can't wait to play.

As for the CE, I'm already getting it from KS and you're probably right about most of the physical stuff ending up neglected but it'll be fun to mess with in the first few days, I'm kind of hyped up for that too....no idea why exactly, I just am.

Hahaha, sorry for double posting but the first point hit the nail on the head. Why buy the game full price during Alpha if you're interested in the physical collector stuff knowing full well you'll either have to buy again or be left without? That and the point was killed by the availability to upgrade to a digital CE. I should make a thread complaining of being left with nothing to complain about(jk). :p

Bleh. You just used a bunch of points that I wish people would avoid using. I'm specifically referring to the ones that basically amount to "a lot of this CE fluff is meaningless to me, so it should be meaningless to you". I disagree with that; one person's junk is another person's treasure, and all that. It's a "collector's edition" for collectors - collectors who are interested in that kind of fluff (even if other people aren't). If you're always expecting the level of importance to always make sense to you, you're going to be disappointed.

I don't think this discussion is particularly negative. Just because someone is disappointed in some aspect of the game doesn't mean it's all doom and gloom. I really love the game, which is why I bought the CE (and many, many copies on Steam for myself and friends).

To expand on my disappointment, it's simply this: I wish the whole "selling of the game" had been handled better. "Better" in this case doesn't mean "right" or "properly", it just means "better than it was". I would have liked to have seen additional upgrade options. Upgrade options for Kickstarter owners at lower tiers to purchase the physical CE without having to buy the game twice, as well as a similar upgrade option for SEA purchasers.

I understand that SEA is a digital purchase and the physical CE is physical purchase. That said, physical CE owners are getting TWO Steam digital distribution keys *for free* (and that wasn't even part of the pledge promises!). In other words, a physical path is leading to a digital path x 2 - FOR FREE. But if we turn around and suggest Steam owners get a discount on the physical CE.. that is somehow a big no-no. In other words, a digital path leading to a physical path *for a discount* (not even free!) is asking too much.

Now, that's ultimately the developers call. But I am disappointed if my fellow gamers can't at least see a semblance of a double standard there and admit that it kind of sucks. That doesn't mean you hate the game. That doesn't mean you hate the developers. It just means you're looking over that reality and can see how it might be justifiably disappointing for Steam owners.

I think it's unrealistic not to believe that some people purchased through Steam only because there was no other option at the time to join in on the alpha/beta, rather than because owning the game on Steam is their preference.

I have a lot of games on Steam. But I will always buy a physical copy of the game if I can get a hold on one before purchasing it on Steam. That's just my preference.

I realize you said "a very small group". I won't speculate as to how many people out there are like that, but I know for a fact it's not just me.

How the hell do you not understand that Steam is a digital distribution platform, and therefore, Steam does not sell physical editions?

Why do people keep saying this, when no information for CE availability outside of a Kickstarter was available at the time Divinity : OS appeared on Steam Early Access? I feel like I'm having a conversation with a bunch of seers. What's next weeks lotto numbers, please?

There is even a comment earlier in this thread discussing how some Kickstarter backers are upset that the physical CE's are available to the general public (even though the quantity is extremely limited).


If the Digital Deluxe Edition on Steam shows up with a bunch of digital goodies that you can't access as a Kickstarter backer, I'm betting you probably will have something to complain about.

Don't forget my lotto numbers, pretty please!