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How the hell do you not understand that Steam is a digital distribution platform, and therefore, Steam does not sell physical editions?

To expand on my disappointment, it's simply this: I wish the whole "selling of the game" had been handled better. "Better" in this case doesn't mean "right" or "properly", it just means "better than it was". I would have liked to have seen additional upgrade options. Upgrade options for Kickstarter owners at lower tiers to purchase the physical CE without having to buy the game twice, as well as a similar upgrade option for SEA purchasers.

I understand that SEA is a digital purchase and the physical CE is physical purchase. That said, physical CE owners are getting TWO Steam digital distribution keys *for free* (and that wasn't even part of the pledge promises!). In other words, a physical path is leading to a digital path x 2 - FOR FREE. But if we turn around and suggest Steam owners get a discount on the physical CE.. that is somehow a big no-no. In other words, a digital path leading to a physical path *for a discount* (not even free!) is asking too much.

Now, that's ultimately the developers call. But I am disappointed if my fellow gamers can't at least see a semblance of a double standard there and admit that it kind of sucks. That doesn't mean you hate the game. That doesn't mean you hate the developers. It just means you're looking over that reality and can see how it might be justifiably disappointing for Steam owners.

a physical path is leading to a digital path x 2 - FOR FREE. But if we turn around and suggest Steam owners get a discount on the physical CE.. that is somehow a big no-no.

Steam keys can be generated for free; that's part of Steam's business model. Retailers and distributors are not necessarily keen on sharing their cut from physical sales with digital distributors, and given the lower margins on retail releases to start with, Larian may not have much room for upgrade options.

Why do people keep saying this, when no information for CE availability outside of a Kickstarter was available at the time Divinity : OS appeared on Steam Early Access? I feel like I'm having a conversation with a bunch of seers. What's next weeks lotto numbers, please?



If the Digital Deluxe Edition on Steam shows up with a bunch of digital goodies that you can't access as a Kickstarter backer, I'm betting you probably will have something to complain about.

So you bought the Alpha because you weren't willing to wait and complain there was no information of a retail CE....while ignoring the fact the game was in bloody Alpha, which should have told you it's further away from release than any announcement of a final retail version could be. Alpha testing is by definition a very early, very broken version of the game that is far from feature complete. I'm still not seeing your argument at all.

Bleh. You just used a bunch of points that I wish people would avoid using. I'm specifically referring to the ones that basically amount to "a lot of this CE fluff is meaningless to me, so it should be meaningless to you". I disagree with that; one person's junk is another person's treasure, and all that. It's a "collector's edition" for collectors - collectors who are interested in that kind of fluff (even if other people aren't). If you're always expecting the level of importance to always make sense to you, you're going to be disappointed.

I don't think this discussion is particularly negative. Just because someone is disappointed in some aspect of the game doesn't mean it's all doom and gloom. I really love the game, which is why I bought the CE (and many, many copies on Steam for myself and friends).

To expand on my disappointment, it's simply this: I wish the whole "selling of the game" had been handled better. "Better" in this case doesn't mean "right" or "properly", it just means "better than it was". I would have liked to have seen additional upgrade options. Upgrade options for Kickstarter owners at lower tiers to purchase the physical CE without having to buy the game twice, as well as a similar upgrade option for SEA purchasers.

I understand that SEA is a digital purchase and the physical CE is physical purchase. That said, physical CE owners are getting TWO Steam digital distribution keys *for free* (and that wasn't even part of the pledge promises!). In other words, a physical path is leading to a digital path x 2 - FOR FREE. But if we turn around and suggest Steam owners get a discount on the physical CE.. that is somehow a big no-no. In other words, a digital path leading to a physical path *for a discount* (not even free!) is asking too much.

Now, that's ultimately the developers call. But I am disappointed if my fellow gamers can't at least see a semblance of a double standard there and admit that it kind of sucks. That doesn't mean you hate the game. That doesn't mean you hate the developers. It just means you're looking over that reality and can see how it might be justifiably disappointing for Steam owners.

Bleh. You just used a bunch of points that I wish people would avoid using. I'm specifically referring to the ones that basically amount to "a lot of this CE fluff is meaningless to me, so it should be meaningless to you". I disagree with that; one person's junk is another person's treasure, and all that. It's a "collector's edition" for collectors - collectors who are interested in that kind of fluff (even if other people aren't). If you're always expecting the level of importance to always make sense to you, you're going to be disappointed.

To expand on my disappointment, it's simply this: I wish the whole "selling of the game" had been handled better. "Better" in this case doesn't mean "right" or "properly", it just means "better than it was". I would have liked to have seen additional upgrade options. Upgrade options for Kickstarter owners at lower tiers to purchase the physical CE without having to buy the game twice, as well as a similar upgrade option for SEA purchasers.

Why do people keep saying this, when no information for CE availability outside of a Kickstarter was available at the time Divinity : OS appeared on Steam Early Access? I feel like I'm having a conversation with a bunch of seers. What's next weeks lotto numbers, please?

Come on as I said, I usually really like collector version but the KS version did not appeal to me.

We know that Larian consider a collector edition since the KS campaign, so yeah I am disapointed that we cannot upgrade our pledge but the fact that Larian would make a collector edition was common knowledge !!

well Chaotica ^^ I am not saying they are usless to people, but he has not mentioned anything about why they are needed. just keeps bringing up extra keys to sell. least that is what I am reading.

Would have gotten the Divinity one if I had found the kick starter sooner, but does not break the game or upset me that I missed out on it~ cause I mean sooner or later it will be for sale to people and I can just buy it}

no, you did not get my point, since the KS campaign, Larian considered making ANOTHER collector for the public release and this was mentionned in several Q&A, just they never really confirm it until the last month
(and that is because they said they will think about making a collector different from the KS one that I chose not to pledge for that collector)

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I think it's unrealistic not to believe that some people purchased through Steam only because there was no other option at the time to join in on the alpha/beta, rather than because owning the game on Steam is their preference.

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I hope you can understand how discussing that information during the Kickstarter campaign, but not after the SEA launch, doesn't do people who missed the Kickstarter campaign any good. It's like saying "Well, everyone in the inner circle knew.. why didn't you?".

The question regarding a CE was asked on the Steam forums early on, but went unanswered (or were answered with guesses from other players).

I second that statement! Of course, it describes my situation perfectly, but the rationale is pretty straight; this population clearly exists. But what is not, is assuming this population is marginal without raising any stats or really sound arguments.

euh EVERYONE could assist the twitch or watch the replay so don't call it "private" or "inner circle" informations...

euh I am not talking about updates videos but the live twitch sessions, and then you'd gotta be joking you're complaining that the KS backers got more info and then you complain that there was already too many when the game was released...
if you really wanted the info you could have had a look at the previous updates and Larian's forum... how long do you think it tooks us to read each and every news, to watch every videos?!
not even mentionning that the topic of the collector was discussed on several topic on that forum...

You have an unreasonable expectation there. What did actually happen is people asked for information regarding the CE, on the Steam forums, where the game was located.

By the way, I didn't complain that the "KS backers got more info", I simply pointed out that you were pointing to (rather specific) information not easily known to anyone who wasn't actively following the kickstarter campaign. That's not a complaint, it's just clarifying a fact.

You're giving off the impression that, in your mind, expecting SEA backers to have watched all the live streams is reasonable, but that it's not reasonable to request CE information on the product's forum and expect an answer. I can't agree with that.

This is a silly point to argue. It was what it was.

Bloody hell dude, you missed on the KS campaign, that happens, I missed on KS campaigns I wish I had known about. All this whining over price won't do you any good now. Nothing will change no matter how much complaining you do on here. Yeah I know you are incapable or shutting up or admitting fault and no matter what the argument is it's always got to turn into someone else's fault and how Larian or someone owes you something but let it go. I paid several times multiplied what the CE costs and I don't feel a fraction of the sense of entitlement you do, I believe the Larian guys are great, honest guys that work very hard and deliver amazing quality with limited budgets and deserve any and all profit they can make. I bought the Divinity anthology multiple times in show of support. They aren't some rich corporation trying to rip anyone off with microtransactions or trillions of preorder bonuses so I would never go to them complaining about the biggest bank for my buck. I feel grateful for what they do. They too like everyone else are trying to make a living. It's incredibly hard to survive as an independent studio and frankly I find your incessant complaints a bit disrespectful.