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Originally Posted by fossilfern
Lets be fair to EA though they are the ones who green-lit Dragon Age.


If you're referring to Origins, most of the work had already been done by Bioware (proper), prior to the sale to EA. It would have been a waste of money to leave the game unfinished. And we all know EA doesn't like to waste money. If you're referring to DA2, then *hurk*SPIT*. If you're referring to Inquisition, then we'll just have to see if EAWare truly learned their lesson.

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Lets be fair to EA though they are the ones who green-lit Dragon Age. No doubt the reason most Bioware "RPGs" have been declining in quality has something to do with EA but I can safely assume Bioware are also the issue.


Never said it wasn't Bioware's fault, but lets be honest, how many of the original Bioware people are still working for Bioware now that EA owns them? My point is, Bioware is not Bioware, it is EA games with EA hires making games using Biowares name.

It is the same thing with Blizzard. When they bought out by the big companies, all of the original staff moved on. Blizzard isn't Blizzard anymore, the talent left the building, all that is left is the name.


I'm not disagreeing with you, in fact i have this same debate constantly with people. I nearly got killed in work when I said Mass Effect 3 was an awful game! But then ofcouse the usual "oh its just the ending" and I have to constantly explain myself that the ending isn't the issue with that game, regardless of how bad it was.


Oh, I completely understand, which is why I am not willing to get into it with Demonic. It would be a long drawn out battle to get my points understood. Different strokes I guess, I am a Gold Box era gamer, so I often have extreme clashes with this generations ideal RPG. Heck, I even clash with the 2000 Era RPG fans from time to time. I did a lot back then as well, which is funny because I get to see them lament over the way the games have turned out since their Golden Age.

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Originally Posted by fossilfern
Lets be fair to EA though they are the ones who green-lit Dragon Age.


If you're referring to Origins, most of the work had already been done by Bioware (proper), prior to the sale to EA. It would have been a waste of money to leave the game unfinished. And we all know EA doesn't like to waste money. If you're referring to DA2, then *hurk*SPIT*. If you're referring to Inquisition, then we'll just have to see if EAWare truly learned their lesson.


EA are no stranger to cancelling games they could of easily made them work on something else but we can both agree that DA2 was truly a bad game.

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Again I understand completely, Jito463. Skyrim too is another "RPG" that has gotten so much buzz and the amount it sold will give Bethesda the excuse it needs to either make every Elder Scrolls game something akin to Skyrim instead of atleast trying to make it anything like Morrowind or Daggerfall.

The days of the kind of RPGs you and I seem to be referring to are over and we will only get something once in a blue moon. Still to this day I play Daggerfall, such a great game.

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Originally Posted by fossilfern
I'm not disagreeing with you, in fact i have this same debate constantly with people. I nearly got killed in work when I said Mass Effect 3 was an awful game! But then ofcouse the usual "oh its just the ending" and I have to constantly explain myself that the ending isn't the issue with that game, regardless of how bad it was.


Mass Effect 3 isn't exactly an awful game but I don't really look at it as a role playing game either. I look at ME3, DA, etc as adapting the idea of a RPG to a control scheme suited for a console. You lose a lot of the spirit of the genre in that translation.

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Not completely just because its on console doesn't mean it can't be adapted to that control scheme. To me there is a difference between adapting how the game works and then there is just watering down and I may be going against the grain but consoles aren't necessarily the problem with RPGs getting watered down.

Morrowind was on the original Xbox and thats how I played it back in the day because between 2001 - 2005/6 I was on a "break" with PC gaming but the original Xbox was a good middle ground. Its just they go for the masses who are both on Console and PC and not to sound elitist and maybe what I'm going to say is all in my head but I belived PC gamers in the 90s were alot more mature than they are now since we have a "new wave" of PC gamers who have came in and are coming in who think they are Gods gift because they now play on PC.

There are people around my age (23) who have come into PC gaming recently and they think they are King Dick, the whole "PC Master Race" just rubs me the wrong way and its funny at the same time.

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