Ok but I've cleared the church expect for the magical barrier location below the church. He isn't in the church ... unless he's past the barrier I can't get through. Not sure what you mean by control stand.
Man I don't know why this is so screwed up. I tried to be through, I tried to talk to everyone
(and thing) and read everything
(believe me I'm very anal that way). But it seems like I've fallen through some hole in the flow chart as far as how to advance this quest.
