Holly shit you are doing it again dude.
I wen through your posts to see were your behaviour comes from.
You seem to get in those kinds of fights quiet often on there forums. Ever thought why thats the case?
Your favorite words seem to be declaratory statements and strawman. Everytime someone has an opinion that goes against your view of what a rpg, or this rpg wshould look like you try to put him/her down by throwing around words you learned in highschool debate club, not realizing, (see your last post for prove) that you are doing the same thing.
Your post history proves that beyond any doubt.
You seem to be very pationate about the game, thats cool, you also seem to be very passionate against mass market rpg market, thats cool too, where it stops being cool is that you think you you are above the other player that are not against that mass market as you see it. That is clearly visible by the language you use, for example when you use phrases like "players like you" which you did more than once in you post history. I know you will falsely call adhominem again, but really sheds light on your behaviour.
Do you think by you quoting my sentences and replying to it that is proof? and me not quoting you and replying to your whole text that is not? Seriously?
You are throwing around declaratory statements around in your whole text, just reread what you have written that is way i am saying you are doing the exact same thing. And yes i can say it, just reread what you have written. Ar you *seriously* not getting this at all*
See what you wrote:
"It makes the verisimilitude of the setting stronger, coherence and internal logic of the game world greater and more divested from the players like you."
Its an example, its a statement without any proof or argument behind it, its a subjective view without proof and you are trying to put yourself above "players like me" with your last words. And no, thats not a strawman, that is what your words are saying. Strawman also does *not* mean what you think it means, at least most of the time you throw it around.
Thats why i am saying you are doing the exact same thing, *because you are*.
You are repeating "players like you" again in your post, setting yourself apart and above me again. That is not neutral language its arrogant language, hence me calling you arrogant.
Another statement of yours:
"All in all, a very clear case of psychological projection where you are behaving "childishly" and resort to personal insults and attacks because someone disagrees with your empty, unsupported opinion, instead of providing a single supporting argument for your declaratory statements."
Dont you see the irony in it? Your statement is the exact thing you are accusing me of. Seriously dude? At this point i am about to congratulate you to a very well done trolling. If i were you i would call adhominem on that statement aswell.
And btw calling someone to stop arrogant behavior is not adhominem. Its calling someone out for being arrogant because conversation is tiresome with such a person. I am not trying to invalidate your arguments with it, i simply ask you to stop behaving in a certain way. Again inproper use of the word.
Anyhow, i am not going to reply to your childish attacks anymore, its pointless, you basically doing what you are accusing me of yourself all the time and state that i can not say it, for some reason only you know. Thats like someone denying the sky is blue. Pointless.
Maybe you don't mean to come off that hostile and arrogant, i don't know.
Back to topic.
While i agree, its a subjective PoV you have to accept that your view on that is subjective aswell and not the ultimate truth either. Forums are there to express one views and discuss is, for players like you and players like me and players like the rest of people.
My argument from earlier still stand, despite you not accepting or countering it.
Yes you are right, you can not expect to have the same considerations inside and outside of combat.
That is exactly my point. You don't have considerations at all outside of combat, you just do it and it costs time. And you have to do it after (almost) every battle, thats why i call it pointless.
It does not feel like i accomplish anything, it feels, to me, like a combersome task i have to repeat over and over again.
It is not a false anything presented, its an explanation why its a poor gameplay feature.
That it adds to the world or is consistent with the universe etc yada yada yada is a personal view and not the ultimate truth. One could always say, the comfort of a town lets you regenerate, or source hunters have the ability to regain HPs out of combat due to their training, or the are so experienced in battling evil that they are infused with life after being victorious. That would be consistent with the game world, would add to the atmosphere, would add to the feeling of being a mighty band of warriors, at least to some people. And would eliminate an annoyance without breaking the internal rules or logic of the game. If there was a Talent/Trait whatever for it, it would even add to the character progression, since you have to actively make a choice to have that talent and not have another.
Its is not just clicking once, you have to click a few times, for every member. And then wait on the cooldown to heal again. Its just waiting, its not gameplay.
What you neglect to say, in your rant against modern rpgs (which i can understand in parts) is, that due to changes like that, more and more people play those fantastic games nowadays then have back then. They are accessible to people who have never thought of playing rpgs before.
And that is not a bad thing, in my book atleast. It may suck for elitist rpg players who think their rpgs have to be their way and no other, but for the vast majority of people thats a good thing. If we all deny progress, we would still live in caves and hunt our food ourselves, since you know, supermarkets are convenient.
Why not be happy that more people are able to have fun with the games we love? My butt atleast does not hurt due to that.
Edit:
Forgot to say, how is respecing not coherent with the game world?
If there is a demon who, with magic, can make you better at certain areas, how does that not fit in a magical universe?
Last edited by namealreadytaken; 25/07/14 05:17 PM.