Setharmon: By your word, evil and good are as black and white. So tell me, is the act of killing, in itself, evil? The act in general, no matter what situation it is applied to?
Even newborn children have an idea of good and evil. They inherit the genes of their parents. From birth on you can guide them and show them what's good and what not.
It is your part to prove this. Did you pull this out of nowhere, or do you have scientific proof for it?
um, where else would they get their sense of right and wrong from but the people they first grow up around?
Really?
Then every kid who bullies another kid, and every kid who kills ants, must be
evil, no buts and no howevers.
the third grader who bullies his peers in school is a bad kid, and well on his way to being a bad person when he gets older. being evil doesn't mean you are some sort of maniacal homicidal pyschopath. it just means you enjoy doing a lot of bad things.
Does the end justify the means?
seldom
If it's seldom, then it's by no means black or white. You just dug a hole in your own logic.
i never said
everything was black and white. where are you getting this from? explain to me how i dug a hole in my own logic when you are trying to make two separate things look the same.
in the particular instance, we were talking about that elf book where the guy killed a bunch of people out of a racist attitude to restore some high council.
his means was murder and that doesn't justify what he was doing.
when you start inflicting some type of harm on someone would be a good place to start.
Then everyone on Earth is evil.
Everyone. There are countless ways to inflict harm on others, be it by words, actions, or otherwise. I'll wager that you have inflicted harm on someone, intentionally or no, too.
everyone does things that are evil, or sinful. however, it's habitually doing more evil things than good things that makes a person evil.
everyone does evil things and everyone does good things, it's what you do the most and what is in your heart that defines who you are.
Shouldn't the "good guys" care about everyone, willing to sacrifice no one, because life is sacred?
should be like that.
"Should be like that" -- then you have all but stated that good and evil can come in grey. Those "good guys" were about to sacrifice their own for a greater good; the same thing can happen, and has happened, in real history too.
let me repeat once again, i never said EVERYTHING is black and white. i said not everything is grey. there is a difference. try to read what i say and not what you think i said.
i disagree, i think evil can be black and white. take stalin, for example, he was evil and there's no debating that. it's pretty black and white.
Did you know him personally? Only when you can prove to me that you knew every facet of his personality will I accept your example.
okay, no offense but your type of logic in this statement makes no sense whatsoever. the man tortured and killed MILLIONS OF PEOPLE! does that mean NOTHING to you? what more do you want? a page from his diary that says "hey, i've killed millions of people in my life, and you know what? i enjoyed it!"? would that validate his evilness to you?
you don't have to know someone personally to know what type of person they are.
how you view yourself doesn't change who you are. i could view myself as some gorgeous ladies man, but it won't change the fact i'm still an average looking hack.
Point taken.
pheh, if i weren't in the safety of luna's thread i'd forget the whole debate. =OP
