Originally Posted by Wizard1200
Originally Posted by Mugu
I feel this crowd control (cc) status design is too binary. Either you are completely helpless either you have nothing. Plus the immunity system to balance it is unfair because you have no way to predict who is immune. And, it trumps logic : void dragon can be knocked down, but random demon can't?
In addition, there is currently no use for the softer cc such as cripple or weaken when you can just completely shut down the opposition with blind/knockdown/stun.

I think it would have been better if the odd for hard cc were halved while adding a softer cc in case of "glancing blow". 100% hard cc changed to 50% hard cc + 100% soft cc. Assuming 100% success rate, On 0-50 roll you got the soft cc, on 51-100, you get the hard cc. All immunities are removed except the one that would make sense (ie: can't blind a bat). Willpower and bodybuilding apply normally, so high willpower/bodybuilding monster would still be de facto "immune" to strong cc unless these defences are lowered.

Probably too complex, so maybe it's just better to reduce duration as you suggested.


This would be the perfect solution for status effects in a pc game and it is not too complex, because the pc keeps track of the mechanic and not a game master. It could look like this:

Stun (Willpower):
Stunned for 1 turn on a failed save and slowed for 1 turn on a successful save.

Knockdown (Bodybuilding):
Knocked down for 1 turn on a failed save and weakened for 1 turn on a successful save.

Freeze (Bodybuilding):
Freezed for 1 turn on a failed save and chilled (-25% water and fire resistance) for 1 turn on a successful save.

Petrify (Bodybuilding):
Pertrified for 1 turn on a failed save and slowed for 1 turn on a successful save.

Charm (Willpower):
Charmed for 1 turn on a failed save and frenzied (attacks nearest target (friend or foe)) for 1 turn on a successful save.

Blind (Bodybuilding):
Blinded for 1 turn on a failed save and staggered (halved sight range) for 1 turn on a successful save.

Mute (Willpower):
Muted for 1 turn on a failed save and dazed (the AP cost of a spell is increased by 50%) for 1 turn on a successful save.


I like this solution. It's simpler and would introduce less new status in the game. Only grip is the automatic softer effect would probably means we need to keep immunities for special boss.

Originally Posted by Whysper
Wizard1200, Way too far to the other end of the spectrum there. That's a way to make sure no-one uses 95% of the skills in the game and just uses auto-attacks/attacks with a CC tagged onto the end. If it lasted two turns and you got a second chance to save against the 'hard' effect, but not the 'soft' one, it would probably be okay.

The concept is great though Mugu.


Well, numbers can be tuned. A 1 turn duration can work if the damage done by the skill is increased or if the cooldown is reduced or if the ap cost is adjusted. Your alternative is perfectly sound as well.