Originally Posted by Raze
"empty superiority"
Should that be reserved for the true PC elite, not anyone who may have sympathies for those unclean console people?

"false privilege"
You're the one claiming that no matter how many people the engine improvements and switch to DX 11 on Windows may help, the fact that it may not run on your current system means that Larian has complete disdain for everyone who bought D:OS, and are releasing a new game that is "unusable".
Apparently you were fine with the original release, though, despite the minimum requirements putting out of the playable realm for some systems.


You're all about the strawmen, aren't you? It is clear that they don't care, and the odds that it'll "help" people.. oh please, you cannot possibly be so computer illiterate as to believe that it's going to help anyone.

You are also boiling this down to a "new release", which is not the issue. Had it been a new release, the issue would've been different - annoying, but alright, there's a lot of games that have ridiculous requirements, after all. But it's not. It's a patch that grew into an overhaul that is being presented as a new release. That patch was promised for a long time, and suddenly it's gone "Nuh-uh, not for you" and been adapted for consoles.

Unless you want to claim that D:OS is still getting it's patch. But.. we all know it's not.

Originally Posted by Raze
If the EE is going to suffer so much for the existence of a console version (don't bother waiting to get any first looks at E3, or anything), why are you so upset you may not immediately be able to play it?


D:OS being adapted for consoles is bad, but ultimately it could still be a good game - certainly and undeniably a worse game than it should've or could've been, but still a good game. The problems of consolization is secondary to being lied to and dumped on by money-grubbing weasels.

Originally Posted by Stabbey
Okay, Luckmann has proved himself to be an idiot not worth arguing with. He can never get the concept of "different versions" through his thick skull, nor can he understand that features from a finished PC version will not magically, automatically be stripped out of a PC version when a separate console version is made.

Glad we've cleared that up.

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The sad thing here is really that you still delude yourself to think that magically, a game isn't affected at all when being developed on multiple platforms.

It's an issue of the lowest common denominator. If you truly believe that there's going to be anything in the PC version that will not make it into the console version due to the constraints of the latter, you are either intellectually dishonest, or easily the dumbest and most ignorant person I've seen on the internet that is still capable of cobbling together a coherent sentence.

Truly, it is a wonder you can breathe without drowning in your own saliva, let alone mash enough neurons together to slap your hand against the keyboard.



Originally Posted by Urza
In order:
1) Killing 95% of the species based purely on IQ would first of all set us back to a world population of between 1000-2000 BC with a set back to our society relatively similar in proportion. Second it would not really solve your frustration issue because intelligent individuals are just as likely to be deluded about there omnipotence as anyone else.

2) "There is not a single multiplatform game in the history of gaming that didn't suffer due to being, well, multiplatform."
To me a game being good and suffering are mutually exclusive although for the purposes of this we will assume they are not. Can you tell me where Portal 2 or TF 2 suffered for having console ports? And 敵ood is, after all, subjective is just as much Reductio ad absurdum as anything I have said is straw man. By that argument any single game could be good no matter how crappy just by virtue of being a video game and modern marvel. I think we can safely equate good with both enjoyable and successful to/with a large segment of the population.

3) Also I find it hard to say that XCOM has suffered when it is an incredible game with smooth gameplay and outstanding replayability that is still strong several years after release. It jerks around almost never and both play and cut scenes are smooth.

4) I absolutely care about the argument but I am trying to indicate that it is not worth contemplating mass murder/genocide for. I think that is a fair argument to make. Why is it necessary to be angry and hateful in order to discuss important issues? Your whole argument here is straw man.

5) What empty superiority and false privilege? How does it not concern either of us? It concerns both of us however that is not the same as saying we have control over it. At this point they have enough into the production based on their comments that it痴 going to be released, and since it痴 going to be free we don稚 even really have the option of using money as speech. We will just have to not purchase further products/versions of the game on the console/DLC if we are unhappy with the game.

6) This is the most valid of your arguments, you can稚 play EE when it drops and the game you currently enjoy will not be supported when it comes out. However this is a business decision by the company about whether or not a large enough number are effected to justify holding back updating the engine. What exactly are your system specs btw? How hard is it going to be to get you to 11 so you can play? I feel like it痴 just a modern version of windows and a graphics card that supports it? So ~250-300$? Rather than focusing on the negative why not try and find a way to solve the problem?


1) There is no reason to believe that just because you set the world population back to ~365 000 000, we'll somehow magically be set back societally to a standard of ~1000-2000 BC (which, for reference, was a mere 40-80 mil). While it is entirely true that a high IQ is no guarantee there won't be a whole range of other deficiencies, it is certainly a better situation than today, the goal being to get rid of the worst of the low-brow knuckle-draggers that insists on drooling their way through Walmart on scooters between their bouts of beating their head across a keyboard.

2) I don't see how it can be mutually exclusive; something can be good, but still have been better, had it not been saddled with a ball and chain around it's ankles. The most obvious one for the given games is similarly the most irrelevant one; graphically. It's par for the course for multiplatform games to be limited to the architecture of the worst-performing console.

What else had to be cut is hard to tell, given the simplistic nature of these games - RPG:s are a different beast entirely, and it's unfair to compare the constraints of an FPS on consoles to constraints of an RPG on consoles; nonetheless, it's there, however minor.

3) Post-purchase rationalization? I can't think of any other reason to say that, other than inexperience with gaming, maybe. You only need to go to the base screen to notice how terrible the panning is, and view any menu to see how everything is organized in a sequential, "click here, click here, click here, click here, click here, confirm"-manner that is alien to a well-produced desktop UI.

4) Nope. Your argument boiled down to promoting the irrelevance of the issue. I actually had to look it up, but that is a fallacy of relative privation.

5) Well, not having control and not having a voice are different things. All we can do may be to voice our concerns and make it known that Larian aren't to be trusted anymore (which I genuinely think is sad, considering that they're not the first promising studio to degenerate in this manner, and D:OS showed definite promise for the future - my enthusiasm was obvious unwarranted and premature) and, as you say, refrain from purchasing further products of the game (and make sure that others doesn't, or support alternative sources that does not endow Larian with undeserved monetary wealth).

6) The problem, as far as I'm concerned, is Larian, and I'm unfortunately incapable of solving that problem anytime soon (which brings us back to point #1). If I were capable of replacing my old (overclocked) GeForce 8800 GTX, I would've done it 6 years ago. Even if I somehow magically did have the funds, priority 1 is still to get my GF a new computer after her laptop bricked just above a year ago, so she isn't dependant on my desktop. Current funds in the teabox: -2400 USD (yup, that's a minus; it used to be 1000 USD, but then our only source of income decided to give us a golden shower and my parents had to shell out rent for four months.

So yeah, that's a problem not getting solved either way.