Originally Posted by Luckmann
It's painfully evident that you actually never played D2 or Starcraft on console. If you want a better example, look at Diablo 3, which was actually intended as multiplatform from the beginning (which many fans called Blizzard on long before it was announced; and it wasn't announced precisely because people knew that it compromises development).

There is not a single multiplatform game in the history of gaming that didn't suffer due to being, well, multiplatform. You say it is simply not known for certain, but experience has taught us otherwise. Even under the best of circumstances, the best developers can do is to attempt to obfuscate the fact by making it less obvious what was compromised.

But at the end of the day, what gets to me the most is that Larian has no trouble pissing in the face of their fans after promising an extensive patch for months, but in reality adapting the game for consoles and then go "Nuh-uh", releasing a new game instead, which, of course, is unusable. At the end of the day, was the inventory system of Skyrim bad because of consoles, or were it just bad? We all know it's the former, but the apologists and peasantry can easily argue that it was just badly designed.

And we see this time and time again, whether it's bad controls or entire features that had to be cut because it was impossible to make it fit in a console UI. Because yeah, sure, D:OS:EE will get two separate UI:s, but you bet that if there's a feature that won't work well with the console UI, it's going to get binned for both versions, whether it would've worked with the PC UI or not (and face it, it would've; that's the difference, anything works or can be made to work on PC).

When you're promised a stellar patch, it's really dishonest to make it into a new game that, whoops, you can't play. But uh, you can play the unpatched game, so that's fine.

This is Grade A douchery worthy of Electronic Arts and paints Swen Vincke and his cohorts as nothing short of crooks.

You should be a politician, you're quite good at spinning things to fit your point of view. Let me address a few of your points here.

- First off, you say it's evident that I've never played D2 or Starcraft. On the first, you would be correct, on a technicality. D2 never came to console. I was talking about the ORIGINAL Diablo.
- Second, you have no idea whether or not I have played the console versions or not (I have for what my internet word is worth) so trying to discredit me with this is quite a leap here.

- Third (and bold for emphasis on this point) Your argument again again throughout this thread has been how much the PC version is going to suffer and how much Larian is showing they don't care about their original PC fanbase by porting the game over to consoles. I've provided two great examples of how porting a game to consoles DID NOT AFFECT THE PC VERSIONS AT ALL. I can't put enough stress here on this. These games had great PC versions before their ports. They had great PC versions after their ports. In fact the PC version of Starcraft GOT AN EXPANSION (read: even more content). Did Skyrim and Diablo 3 suffer because of their console counterparts? Most definitely and it has been acknowledged by the community, but there are several other VERY successful PC games that were brought to consoles without sacrificing their PC counterparts; the original Doom, Half-Life, Portal, and Minecraft if I must name a few more for you.

You were promised a HUGE patch for the original game. But Larian did you one better. If they had released this as a patch like they originally intended, they would have broken your game (since the new requirements were not met by you). Instead, they released it as a completely new game. This allows you to continue to play the older game (thus keeping all your saved content and what not) while also giving you the potential to play the new version with all it's benefits.

Unless you are currently working at Larian, or have some sort of insider information into their design process, YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW THE CONSOLE VERSION WILL AFFECT THE PC VERSION. How you can compare Larian to EA or crooks is beyond me. Larian isn't giving previous users the new game for a discount, they are giving it FOR FREE. They spent a lot of money to improve the game with the potential of not making another penny on the new version (they could sell 0 new copies). That certainly doesn't sound like a crook to me.