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One of the best replies? That basically boiled down to "you guys are stupid for not thinking the same as me". That wasn't even a well formulated argument, it was just mocking. If you think that was "one of the best replies", it can only be because you agree with it.

In other words, you're viewing it subjectively, not objectively.

My reply was a jab yep! cause this topic is pointless on these forums. People worrying about something that won't happen in game anyway.

I saw women being brought up and it made me laugh. As a female gamer if anything we get more eye candy then guys do ^_^ muscled up main male characters, beefed out monster men and all kinds of things.

It amuses the things people freak out about, specially on the internet in 2015...and to the ones calling porn an addiction... it's actually not. No one has withdrawl from it. Well very rarely. Video gaming is more addicting.

but this might be the last I post in this topic... if people just want to keep going round and round the drama ride.

Well for one, The OP is spreading falsities about everyone who looks at port becoming addicted to it.

Second, they are talking about how 'Men' are 'very, very, visually sensitive' to material, while clearly not being a man themselves and doesn't actually know this and acting like they have never seen pornography themselves (in which case they are judging with no case to base it on). They didn't take into account gay people OR asexual people.

Third, they mentioned that pornography 'exploits' women, and that 'women tell her this all the time', and at no point do they state that these 'women' were ever practicers or creators of pornography and thus can't possibly know about the struggle or 'exploitation' of women.

Come on, same could be said about violent video games, and medias / politics are the first to claim it. Well worse even : they claim that VIDEO GAMES are bad to people's mind. They make us socially inept, turn us to satanism, make us violent and will ultimately led us to our doom ( not to mention send us in hell ).
As gamers, we know this is pretty laughable BUT sometimes, someone may snap. However, it's never been proven that the reason why a gamer snapped was indeed video games. The best bet is that video game addiction was already a consequence of a bigger trauma.

As for porn, there are two movies discussing the "addiction" : one is a comedy and tells the story of one guy addicted to his porn collection, with Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Scarlett Johanson, it's "Don Jon". The other tells the story of a man addicted to sex ( not porn, mind you ), is definitely not a comedy, with Michael Fassbender, and it's "Shame". They may be interesting movies to watch in regards to this sub-topic we've been discussing. Very important distinction to be made here : pornagraphy vs sex addiction. Had all this we've been discussing about sex adiction, I'd have agree. Sex addiction CAN destroy families and lives. It's a far different and worse beast.

There are clear history of abuse in order to make pornographic contents, like Linda Lovelace. However, some women want to get into this industry. Some times ago there was this story of a wall street intern who was bored and decided to do porn instead of her 6-figures promised salary.

I personnaly know a few women watching porn, and it's a good thing. I also am happy that women stepped up in this discussion to defend porn or at least dismiss accusations made against it. There are multiple reasons to why I'd find this a good thing, most of all including the fact they aren't ashamed of the subject anymore, and being able to openly talk about it is quite a liberation in a world that has been marked by centuries of sexual repression, especially for women.
Some couples even use porn nowdays as an "appetizer", or to spice things up, or just to get new ideas. I'd say this is a better couple therapy than having a baby - and I heard profesionnal counselors telling couples that weren't doing so well to try and have a kid, resulting in, obviously, a separated couple with a kid in-between.

Also, have a look at the "Humans of New York" facebook page. Brandon, the photographer and storyteller, is actually in Iran, telling stories about Iranian people. The latest is about a family of three brothers and sisters that had to strive and survive by themselves because the mother was a junkie and the father wasn't around. Since they were children they had to survive by themselves. Let's not pretend pornography can lead to a similar thing.

I fall into the latter camp there: I'm ambivalent about porn and it's just not something that interests me; but I'm not militantly against it anyway, other than the usual caveat about the stuff that goes too far, but one could say the same about anything.

The thing I generally object to is when someone seems to be speaking on my behalf about how I feel about something without first bothering to find out, or worse still, telling me how I "should" feel about it.

And as you and others have pointed out, it's taking a rather narrow view of the subject to suggest it's something that enthrals men at the cost of women: anybody who thinks it isn't an equal opportunity interest has lived a rather sheltered life.

But I guess this is going off on its own tangent anyway since I think it's unlikely that Larian would include anything even vaguely approaching porn in its games: it's just not their style. And if their style continues to incorporate impractical heels into female armour, I don't object to that.

Aaah, that long, long discussion on the infamous, dreaded High Heels...

I'm just happy that the likelihood of pornography being in the game is quite low. I do tend to get worked up about these things (it would just be a shame if I couldn't play it). I still have the same feelings about nudity, the only reason why I shared my opinion was because I felt like the thread was going in that direction. Whatever, maybe I was wrong...

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I am pretty sure that we drop right into the bath of some nude lady right in the beginning of original sin ;-)
And the original game had some swearing too iirc.

I still did not like them and I hope they are gone for good this time :p
And I am totally fine to tell anyone why they should think bad off them too :p
Which for some odd reasons gets mixed up by many with forcing someone to think ill about high-heels for combat characters, which would be something completely different. But that would be a complete different discussion and a pointless one as well if people would be just able to detached themselves from the things they believe in.

I just read the title of topic and i must say: Give us another naughty chest! .... otherwise in-game there should be some swearing and sexuality, just like there is in real life, or "real" fantasy (like witcher 3), well because if you completely cut it out, then you will notice that something is missing.

Oh please. Stop hailing the TW3 as "real" fantasy, as though we never had it in video games until CDPR was born and saved us all. It's one take on it, and it does it well, but it is no more immersive or authentic because of it. It's simply one style choice. How much swearing and sexuality was in the original Gold Box games, Bard's Tale, the Ultima series, Baldur's Gate, etc.? We had games with better stories and immersion back then compared to most of today's games without going "try-hard" hardcore as a way to make it authentic.

Hey! Calm down friend. Im talking about witcher 3 because it is known the most! I read the books many years ago when i was little boy and loved all the stories there! For me it was example of real fantasy for many years, there was hatred, pogroms, burning non-humans alive... in those books were discussed problems of our world and it was put in superb story of witcher Geralt! It was very different from all other authors i knew at time (Tolkien, Anderson, and so on), for me Sapkowski was best. (even though i cant forgive him for not giving good conclusion for his books, game did that for me... what a strange thing...)

Wow, you guys get worked up about everything that doesn't take your opinion in consideration (or only looks like it). We can't have a serious discussion about anything without someone crying "muh opinions". You do know that your opinion can actually be wrong, right?. Shocking, I know. It's not the free-for-all at the circle-j*rk. Porn doesn't exploit (most) women OR men (or anything that is a consenting adult). You can check out interviews with pornstars and you can see that most of them are actually intelligent men and women who actually like being in the business. You can do some research and inform yourself better about the porn business and the people working in it. Prudishness is also something that isn't on a pedestal to be celebrated.

I'm going to be attacked as well now, but it's par for the course here.

I'm OK with appropriate swearing in games (and films, MeatSpace, music etc.).
But it doesn't have to be crude. And in a game like this it shouldn't be too modern, although people have had intercourse and genitals for as long as I can remember (heck... Probably longer).

As for nudity it is most appropriate in a game called Original Sin.
One must remember that God created Adam and Eve in their birthday suits. It was the "sinning bit" that caused them to put clothes on. And we all know how mad it made God, and that's why they were thrown out.

Yeah but that Original Sin is a tad different :p

It's now stuck in my head - God the Peeping Tom. Satan the Prude.

Sacrilegious, I don't care. :P

Yes I'm aware of that, but I just wanted to make a point.

It seems to me that the fear of nakedness is heavily based on religion, and as such the christians are actually acting against the will of God as it is very clear that he wanted people naked from the get go.

I'll shut up now and climb down from my soap box.

*sigh*... this thread... I'll never understand how it's possible that some people apparently have absolutely no problem with physical violence and killing, but can go absolutely berserk about swearing (which is just words) or (slightly) exposed parts of the human body.

People are weird like that. It's more disturbing to see someone show some skin than to see someone explode in a pool of blood leaving entrails and bits of flesh everywhere.

Are we talking about explicit descriptions of sex or animations like in The Witcher 3? The last part would be pretty useless, since we don't even have the perspective to enjoy ... some of the better parts of the human body. The Witcher is the better game for that. Thematiclywise ... eh. Why not. But what would the story really gain?

Swearing: I like swearwords. I use them in my own writing, but it wouldn't fit in the world of Divinity, especially since everyone is talking a very sophisticated english, which is part of the atmosphere. Swearing just for swearing's sake would break the atmosphere of this world, since everyone knows better than to use low language.