Originally Posted by Vometia
Originally Posted by Lacrymas
Gender Dysphoria can only ever exist in a society with gender stereotypes. Yes, I am saying that Gender Dysphoria is caused by society.

It's really not. Would I have gone through years of extremely intrusive and insensitive assessments, potential danger, a very risky operation and spent 」20,000 of my own cash on medical treatment if it was just a matter of ignoring barriers? Absolutely not. I'm not the sort of person who likes to put herself through gruelling, difficult, painful and unpleasant situations unless there is absolutely no other way, and neither are the vast majority of people with gender dysphoria or whatever it's called this week. Although I was being somewhat facetious about playing The Sims, and its relevance may be rather dubious anyway, innate gender identity is certainly a thing. I accept it's perhaps difficult to understand for people who don't have that particular incongruity to deal with, but I would add that those who've never had the need to understand it should be thankful rather than judgemental.

I realise I've slightly painted myself into a corner with the "but girls often like guy stuff too!" comment, and it may not have been the most sensible idea to bring up the matter of gender identity in that context as it's its own thing, but it's a lot more than upbringing and societal expectations.


I do not mean to offend you in any way. You can't simply "ignore the barriers" and that's the whole point. It's so deeply ingrained in our subconscious that it's as real as it can get. Gender Dysphoria IS real, but it is a product of societal stereotypes and in a society with no gender specific stereotypes, Gender Dysphoria wouldn't make sense and it's my thinking that it wouldn't manifest. Why? Because there are many "feminine" men and "masculine" women that aren't trans. That means it's not due to gender expression. There are also intersex people who are neither. You can't change your chromosomes but GD is treated by SRS and when you transition, so it's definitely not physiological. HRT would help only you, but not stop a cis person from feeling that they are cis. Gender stereotypes are the only category left when we exclude gender expression, sex (since you can be a man without a penis) , hormonal differences and a physiological basis. Transitioning is nothing more than you changing the way you view *yourself* in relation to society.