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I think morrowind is the gold standard for beeing offensive in video games.

Sure half of the insults were made up but they felt genuine.
You found yourself in a world where everyone resented you for beeing an outlander.
It was a world with slavery and all kind of nasty stuff.

And yeah, in general i think that beeing consistent with the world is important, but do not pander to people that take beeing offended to a political level. Nothing good ever came form that.

Not everyone shares the same system of morality.

But where I live, yes... Far more tolerable to see cartoonish gibs then it is to have someone start dropping tons and tons of F-Bombs.

In fact... I HATE when something tries to be edgy because they always go about it in the most immature way possible. As if stringing a bunch of swear words makes them cool.

HECK in one European Country (can never remember if it is Germany or Russia or somewhere else) where it is the exact opposite. Where you can show so much skin that the actors are nearly naked but a single drop of blood and suddenly it is rated R.

That's the way is should be.

Words and skin/sex are harmless.

Violence and death, less so.

All is harmless.

Its not a game for children anyway, why is this even an issue.

There is no point in beeing purposefully edgy but there is also not point in watering down the narrative in order to protect adults from "things that you dont show".

Yep, that's one that has stayed with me too, the whispered "Outlander" really got on my nerves after a while when playing, but I remember it so well, right down to the voice.

It is more that we don't want it to ultimately be crass and immature.

Nothing says "For children who want to be adults" Then a F-Bomb.

The one that stayed with me was the Ordinators' ever polite and friendly "we're watching you. Scum.", the latter almost added as an afterthought. I never tired of that, curiously.

Someone should mod it

Do you really believe this? Imagine watching The Terminator or Alien or The Dark Knight without swearing. It's extremely hard to name decent film targeted at adults that does not have any swearing. Yet people are still tied to the idea that all video games are targeted at children by default.

Personally, as an adult, I would like Larian to treat me like an adult, and include adult themes like swearing/sex/nudity in a mature way.

As it is, in Divinity: Original Sin, you teleport into a bathroom while a woman is bathing just as a cheap joke, but you seem more worried that she might swear when she tells you to get out.

Divinity: Original Sin is immature, and it didn't need swearing to achieve that.

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In Terminator 2 the swearing IS used as a way to highlight just how immature the kid was.

While in the first the swearing was used as a joke.

Heck any good examples of swearing, that isn't for comedic effect or to show how sucky the character is, I can think of are from movies where the character NEVER swore and did so EXACTLY ONCE. Like hmm... ohh yes Alien.

So unlike what this topic suggests with is basically swear offs between heroes and villains.

So we are right back to "No swearing in Divinity: Original Sin 2... I want this to be a mature game... not a game for 12 year olds who want to pretend they are 18"

I'm reminded of Planet Of The Apes, where Charlton Heston exclaimed "Gosh darn you all! Darn you all to heck!" in his best Hank Hill voice. Possibly.

I dunno, it has its place. Gratuitous swearing sounds juvenile, but gratuitous swear-avoidance sounds no better. As usual, it's a matter of striking a balance.

Though there are in Aliens as a way to show how ... "badass"? The marines are :p

And let's not forget BattleStar Galactica "Frakking" all over the place !

No but seriously swearing is never NECESSARY, and it shouldn't feel either forced upon a character nor missing from a character.

Maybe there are occasions when swearing is appropriate, but never as an excuse purely shock or offend.

Even by that stretched interpretation, you've admitted that it had dramatic effect in the film.

But here are a few other special moments from the film (which I've censored for delicate ears):

I'm Australian, so to us swearing is somewhat more casual and accepted.

But generally the entire point is that it is inappropriate. In my examples above, Sarah Connor swears because she wants to shock and she wants to offend.

I don't think it matters if it's "appropriate". It just needs to be authentic.

I honestly think its a bit ridiculous to act as if swearing is immature. It differes from culture to culture but realy whats the deal with not wanting swearing? To act as if it is immature is just misrepresenting the other side of the debate.

If it fits the theme, have it in. Youve got stuff like second class citizens dwarf miners, you think they will be polite?

"I honestly think its a bit ridiculous to act as if swearing is immature. It differes from culture to culture but realy whats the deal with not wanting swearing?"

You say that, but when "swearing" is 100% naturalized it isn't swearing anymore.

It is why I don't consider "damn" to be a swear or "hell" for that matter.

And then even when a culture swears a lot they have a sort of hierarchy of swearing. Japan is a rather large example because there are some swear words you can fit into even a child's speech (which always get translated to... out of place overblown swearing... Thanks translators...), but they do have harsher ones that they wouldn't say to just anyone.

But even then Sordak EVEN THEN!!! Even if we are talking about tasteful use of swearing.

This topic ISN'T about "Tasteful swearing" it is about immature F-Bomb "I am a big boy now" swearing. ALA the Imp from Risen who can only speak in swears.

That's a reasonable stance to have Neonivek, but different from what freeportaa insisted in the opening post.

Why are these words considered crude at all? Up until the mid 15th century, official documents in England were all written in Latin, not English. Speaking a Norman language such as French or Latin was a sign of having an education.

Swear words existed to distinguish classes. An educated person would say "defecate" (Latin), while the working class would say "shit" (German/English). Swear words were used to identify the people who should be excluded from the upper classes.

This is outdated (even the US president is on the record swearing in an audio book he recorded). We are generally much more educated and more egalitarian, so swear words are becoming less taboo. With greater social mobility, the impact of George Carlin's dirty words has been fading away.

Modern swear words (eg the notorious N-word) reflect our changing society. In a world that is increasingly focused on inclusiveness, words that exclude or vilify minorities are becoming increasingly offensive. I would certainly encourage Larian to avoid using these modern swear words, but I really feel that George Carlin's swear words should be fair game.

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