" Yea, wow, that's really "pushed"...;)"
Yes, it still is. I mean: you ARE aware they're doing it because they want to continue to earn money, don't you? On itself, it would be perfectly possible to continue development (including drivers) for Vista - as XP has proven.
Had I 'bumped' to win7, I would already have been pushed to win7 from Vista in the first place, costing me money, so it's still being 'pushed'. Mind you, it's not like I don't understand the rationale for them doing it, it's just that it's rather foolish of people *not* to realise they're being pushed into it. And of course one IS being pushed, Waltc; you said it yourself; after a while, you can't *but* upgrade, because they don't support it anymore, drivers get abandoned, etc.
"There is no rationale you can present to me which will bring me around to your point of view because I know better...;)"
What rationale would that be? Bring you to my point? What? I'm not following you. I was merely pointing out what I did and was going to do, I didn't give any rationale for bringing you around whatever, since that wasn't my aim at all. I'm just saying how I see things. And I see things as a company trying to push me into buying their new product once again, by stopping their support (and others following suite, of course). And me deciding when I will get annoyed enough to contemplate buying it, yet once again, at an appropriate time. Which will be, as said, when the next TES game comes out and I'm going to buy a new computer anyway.
What has that to do with bringing you to my point? I doubt you even have vista anymore, so why would I want to bother with it, even if I felt inclined to do so (which I don't)? No, everyone should do as he sees fit.
I'm just saying I won't budge on the OS, until the next TES game in a few years. In the mean time, I'll keep myself busy with all the games I still have left to play, which DO play on Vista. So I don't see the issue. It's like saying you are driving a new Tesla-SUV and how wonderful that is and I should buy it too at 80000 dollar, while I'm saying my old car is still good enough, and I'll probably buy it when I feel like it at a more reasonable cost and after my car gets really too broken for my own taste.
It's true that win10 is claimed to be perpetual, and I agree that's more to my liking. I also think it's foolish and naive to expect that this 'free eternal upgrading' will really be either eternal, or free.
"I've been in it for decades and I'm still nowhere near tired of it. "New and improved" turns the world, don't ya' know...;)"
Hey, whatever makes your clock tick is fine with me. In fact, I'm glad with early adopters like you. You guys pay premium prices and are paying for the grunt amount of companies when they are maximising their profits, and once they're passed your table, and can't squeeze out anymore, only then are the prices going to drop.
The same is true with hardware, btw. People who buy the very best graphical cards when they come out are paying premium prices and loads of money for it, that (imho) is completely foolish and absurd. But it's thanks to these overpaying parvenus that the cards eventually get mass-adopted and go down the ranks of the graphical cards at more reasonable prices. For me, it's nonsensical behaviour, since you pay triple the price for something you could buy only a year later far cheaper, but I *DO* realise that it's thanks to fools like that, that it *does* lower in price so much and so rapidly, and indeed, they give incentive to 'new and improved' stuff, which is again oversold to the same gadgetfreaks and trendsetting hipsters.
No, I'm truly grateful there are such wasteful spenders in the world, so I can buy the same thing much cheaper and more economically a bit later. And the nice thing is, they never seem to find it wasted money, so everyone is happy...
PS."(I own 2x the number of games you mentioned, but numbers aren't really the issue, here.)"
No, it isn't. It sounds like you are comparing the length of dicks, here. ;-) The 150+ was an estimate of how many I had in my online libraries. I still have a truckload of them in some boxes as physical dvd's too. I don't actually know how many I have, really, but *I* wasn't comparing dick-sizes. ;-) I was just countering your strange conclusion I only had 2-3.
And no doubt DX12 games will start to pop up more and more, but let's not use hyperbole: you know as well as I do, that all games will still support DX11 too, for the near future. Just like DX11 games still run on DX9, for the most part. Don't get me wrong: I'm all for DX12. I think it's a great improvement. But, just like all the rest, one can manage a few years without it just fine. You seem to misunderstand my viewpoint as being against it, but that's not really it. I just don't care enough for it, to follow the herd and hasten my decision (especially if that's being forced upon you - for good or for worse) and certainly not when paying premium prices for it.
I'll make the decision on my own of when I'll make the transition, and in my reasoning and rationale, I make a cost-benefit decision, not a grab-the-next-tech-hype decision. If people want to pay premium prices for whatever they fancy or because it 'drives innovation' and they feel like that's worth all the money they pour into it, they should do it, for sure. Just like I hope enough people will buy Tesla-cars at their current crazy prices, so I can maybe get one a few years later for a fraction of the price they paid for it.
I agree someone has to fall for it, for it to become viable as a businessmodel for those companies. But I rather not be the one to overpay something just to be the first, nor am I charitable enough to throw my money away for the idea one is 'driving innovation or the economy', or whatever. The cool thing is, for those early adopters it's *worth it*. It's a waste of money in an objective sense, but that doesn't matter, since the worth of something is largely measured subjectively.
I just happen to temper my irrational subjective motives with a more logical ratio when spending my money, that's all. Some others clearly don't. Which is their prerogative, as it is mine, since we each decide of our own money what is worth how much.
Last edited by AidBand; 28/02/16 11:03 PM.