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As per tile, just wondering

Personally.. love them in 'theory', but practice-wise? Suffice it to say i haven't felt invested in one since the days of Vanguard. Personal favourites would be VGSoH as mentioned, early EQ2 (before WoWification), SWG prominently (no, not swtor) and pre-mounted combat Lotro, albeit with reservations.

After years and years of ..fuck all really.. i can at least now say i have titles to look forward to!
Namely three: Project Gorgon, Pantheon Rise of the Fallen and maaaaybe Shroud of the Avatar (too much RMT, too many ego-centric whales needing games of all things to feel better about themselves)

How about you?

Daoc (2001 to 2004) Dark age of camelot (now free)
Between 2004 and 2008
Lotro
Conan
Champions online ( still log in to collect monthly vip tokens)
Warhammer online followed guild from doac / europe dragonlegion
Starwars old republic (was in fazes choosing what ammo to pick)
Started with steam and kongregate games

Wow after wathammee online 2006 (tbc ) till 2019? (8.1 patch pre dark empire pre corruption gear mess) left was bored maybe return to shadowlands

I'm currently (again) active in DDO, was a long-time player of SWTOR.

I'm not normally into MMOs, but I love playing Star Wars - The Old Republic.

The factions and the "eternal war" setting drove me away from that.
Apart from that, I loved SWTOR for a long time.

City of Heroes was my first and stopped before City of Villians showed up
World of Warcraft since vanilla, pick up each expansion and play a bit - still have my vanilla toon also Gnome mut rogue elixir master
Starwars the Old Republic - Rattataki Inquisitor
Guildwars 2 - tree lady Mesmer
Elderscrolls online - Khajiit nightblade
Final Fantasy 14 - Roegadyn Monk

Besides those I've dabbled in hundreds of freebe mmos tried ddo, champions, startrek, and a bunch of others. They generally don't hold my attention like they used to.

I've played GW2, DDO, LOTRO extensively and dipped into several more. I spent a lot of time and energy playing Black Desert Online (BDO) for quite a few years. Not been on recently, but I have invested too much time (and quite a bit of cash in the 'Buy New Outfits' or 'Decorate Your Home' shops) to abandon them completely.

Played a ton of WoW and City of Heroes (even the new server that’s up now). Played a bunch of others but not for long.

None have captured my interest since WoW and CoH. I RPed a lot and really that’s what kept me in those games. MMOs are in a rut. Someone needs to come up with a better system. The usual WoW like grind and leveling is old and not very interesting.

For some reason i cannot get into most of mmos or even rpgs in general, opening up the skill tree and seeing hundereds of skills and traits and which one to choose just confuses the hell out of me. Having said that I really liked playing Lord of the Rings Online, mostly because its the only mmo you can re-live the middle-earth experience. The visuals really shows its age but i liked the gameplay a lot, and the community is extremely friendly too, at least the ones i have encountered.

Ya, forgot about BDO, did play that game for several years also. There crafting system is pretty amazing, along with the node gathering system.

A few additional ones I forgot about was Wildstar, Blade & Soul, and Warhammer Online.

World of Warcraft MMO tried when was open BETA but problem I had old desktop computer so postoned playing it.

Neverwinter Nights 1 persistent servers but they were not good due to bad system GM and administrators I give this expereince
vote 5/10.

When I had eventually new computer after WOW BETA tried actually this with my brother:
Well here is my history of MMO:S
Age of CONAN MMO
+ Nudity women very rarely you could see boobs from women super rarely.
+ Brutal
+ Interesting PvP and PvE
+ Ok graphics and music.
- bugs at released.
- sub fee
- The developers did not keep their promises. They had said that
there example wiill be raids of smart PVE enemies that will attack cities and villages.
When at release they said sorry not yet done with that but later we try add it...
- I played this 6 months roughly then my brother convinced we should try WOW MMO since it was by now polshed and no bugs.
My vote of this experience: 7.25/10

World of Warcraft MMO that I played over 3 years!
+ When I started playing with my brother the expanison Wrath of Lichking was not yet released... however it was slow to rise
in levels and during that before we got to max level the second expansion and best WOW expansion in popularity
WRATH of LICHKING was released.
+ YES WOW graphics is a bit cartoon true but I think WOW art is very cool even my brother liked the graphics.
+ PvP was nice I played in Battlegrounds sometimes PvP.
+ Pve was nice and RAIDS were truly good.
+ Immersion no fast map travel or LOAD when enter new are you could play hours for WOW and forget real world.
+ Polished no bugs.
+ I got to experience WRATH OF LICHKING RAIDS when it was the newest expansion and byt then WOW got to its record
over 12 million active players this despite ONLY PC and not support XBOX or Playstation!
+ The expansion Cataclysm was fairly ok though less popular then WRATH OF LICHKING.
Neutral: Wow story is good but quite short trailers...
- Grind and due to this my brother quite WOW MMO even before one year played. I continued to play WOW after my brother quit it.
- I played to much it got tiremsome reduced from 60 hour/week to 40 hours/week but still tiresome...
- Finally I got bored and but the main reason I quit also for annoying PANDA exapansion! Every expansion before Panda exapansion
was cool! Well then they decide to relaese some silly PANDA expansion! I quit!
- Subfee and expansions cost money.
- TIME SINK
My vote of this experience: 9/10
I have also seen World of Warcraft movie that I rate 8/10.

After WOW MMO some years break until I started playing Neverwinter MMO. My brother did not like the graphics
of Nevewinter MMO but a friend of mine played Neverwinter MMO with me.

Neverwinter MMO played in BETA and then played over a year it when released
+ You can play it totally for free. I did and still got the best mount available when I played. I have not payed a single euro for this.
+ Action combat worked well. You do not need super reactions if you are normal (no disrespect to handicapped people meant) you should be able to play this. It is not super fast paced that some other Action MMO:S might be.
+ Voluntary PvP in battlegrounds and scaled so if you win much you will meet harder opponents. If you loose much you will meet easier opponents.
If you do not like PvP you will never have to fight PvP. PvP is always voluntary.
+ Forgotten Realms DnD 4th edition
+ Challenging PvE Dungeons meant for a team of 5 players. However what is interesting you can try these with less big group. You think one Dungeon is sligthly to easy? Try it then with group of 4 players instead of 5 players.
+ Community created PvE adventures instances one can play them also. Players can create adventures if they want for other players to play.
+ True multiplayer and your are not restricted to play with a friend group of maximum 4 players. This is a MMO. Both PvE And PVP is cooperative. It is team vs team in PvP. PvP has also bigger battlegrounds 20 players vs 20 players and so on.
Neutral: Mediocre graphics.
- TIME SINK. I am not motivated more to play 40+ hours /week a game.
- Pay to win either you pay money to get more powerful or play extremely much this game to keep up. Microtransactiona are absolutely not some silly cosmetic only and you can literally buy to become more powerful.
- In order to become more powerful there is also GRIND of doing certain quests areas and so on. This part feels often to me more like grind then fun. I am not meaning exp no you can get certain rewards like boons and talents.
- Eventually I got bored on it like in WOW MMO.
My vote 8/10

Now I am not interested in any MMO that is released right now... but I will keep an eye on the upcoming Ashes of Creation MMO that interest me a lot.

Not so much anymore, skipped New World actually. I plan to start playing Diablo 4 more seriously. I wait Cyberpunk Online but sadly I cant see it being any good, its CDPR's first online game after all.

Btw, Larian's engine could do awesome Ultima Online game. Maybe thats what MMORPG genre needs?

Shayia (Tutorial only)
Runes of Magic (initial Area only)
AION (at launch only briefly, then break, then P-Servers versions 2.7 til 4.8, Faction: Elyos, If I ever start here again then as an Asmodian...)
Guild Wars 2 ( incl. HoT & PoF)
Neverwinter Online (also here I didn't get beyond storyquests from Sergeant Knox & Lord Neverember)
Arche Age (Haranya Alliance --> all Harani & Firran PVE locations)
Star Wars The Old Republic (some Class Story: Preludes)
The Elder Scrolls Online (One Tamriel Check: Ebonheart Pact --> completed, Daggerfall Covenant --> stopped at Rivenspire)

I have played SWTOR, GW2, ESO, and Secret World.

Did you play The Secret World or the seizure inducing bastardization of an awesome game, Secret World Legends? Loved TSW but quit shortly after they forced SWL on everyone.

I tried both.😊 I loved the atmosphere and environments of that game!

Same here. TSW was my favourite game for ages. I even ran dungeons and I usually hate doing them in most games. Still can't find any game good enough to replace it.

Will update my MMO list:
Age of Conan MMO this is the first MMO I played. I loved its adult content but my brother suggested we try WOW so I quit playing it.
World of Warcraft MMO best was when Wrath of Lichking expansion was newest the most popular WOW expansion. WOW reached its peak with over 12 million active players. Eventually got tired of this and TIME SINK but I played WOW over 3 years which is longest time for any MMO that I have played.
Now for all WOW haters there. I loved the trinity and tab targeting. It had both good PvE and PvP. In addition the freedom with flying mount or shapschange as Druid to flying bird was awesome. No loading screens between areas like a seemingless world.
Back when I played it was slow levelup but that I liked that do not need to rush. Awesome Lichking expansion Raids.

Neverwinter MMO action combat combined with Dungeons Dragons 4th played it over one year but eventually got tired of it and a TIME SINK like WOW. Of course some good things. Like WOW this game did not have high system requirements and graphics were ok.

Recently 2022 MMO tried:
Genshin Impact MMO... if you like cute you can get it here. However while a bit interesting I have not really got into this.
Final Fantasy XIV MMO... so this is the hyped MMO? Have failed to capture me enough said. Nothing wrong with it not saying it is bad simply not my cup of tea.

What gaming has captured me in 2022?
After years of break from any pen and paper role playing:
Dungeons Dragons 5th Edition through distance roleplaying using Discord voice communication and using RollD20 for character sheet, dice rolling and maps visible , map tactical , monster and player character tokens.
This has been a blast has captured me and I play once /week on weekends.
Join me in gaming? First of all I am not Gamemaster who decides who can join. Second of all while we do use
English language to some degree these are players from Finland that use Finnish language quite a bit and not all of them are good in English language.
While I personally could join an English speaking group that is perfectly fine for me.

Well and if speaking of Baldurs Gate 3 mulitplayer. I will play it with my brother and in that group only English speaking is ok and in addition usually those who play PC games have better English language skills. While not native speakers I would consider both my and my brothers English language skills very good.

I must say we discussed upcoming Alpha state Dnd 5.5 and if Wizards of the Coast is really going to remove stats from races then I and so will really many other players refuse to play Dnd 5.5 :(- Now DND 5.5 is kind of in Alpha state so I am not sure what exactly it will be when actually released or 100% sure they are going through with this and shoot their own foot in sales .

These MMO:S interest me. Upcoming MMO:
Ashes of Creation MMO

Well and then a MMO that is in so early stage that it does not even have a name yet so not discussing that MMO for now that is for n years in future when it very likely will be released.

The older I become, the more I'm driven away from competitive MMOs, like SWTOR ...

Perhaps maybe or maybe perhaps. Nah as I know me I will dismiss that one and instead stick with a try for Hogwarts Legacy.

This looks like it will be awesome but I won't waste my money. I seem to recall reading that they will be engaging in the same shift worker discrimination that New World suffers from, in regards to all the fun pvp. Caravan raiding and boring duels won't make up for missing out on wars and other large scale pvp events, because the developers decided that those of us who can't be online at certain hours apparently aren't permitted the same access to content that others get.

Alfa would be 500 euro. I do not that.My it when done for much less if you want.



The developers that I like:


I was wrong. Ashes of Creation MMO is not going to be first MMO with Unreal 5 graphics full release.
Found out New World MMO does not have classes so not so interested to try it.

What game then? Throne of Liberty MMO aka Lineage 3 MMO.
What are the differences between Throne of Liberty and Ashes of Creation MMO in a nutshell?

Ashes of Creation MMO:
+ Record breaking PvP 500 vs 500 players MMO.
+ Lots of PvP modes focus is heavily on PvP.
+ Raids and good PvE content.
+ Mounts many types.
+ Weather systems and effect that are super good.
+ Housing.
+ Crafting.
+ Unreal 5 engine graphics and performance.
+ Personally I like the developers. They are in USA ( I do not care if USA or Europe but Western system money)
+ not pay to win.
+ Huge world.
+ Many classes and races.
Neutral: FUll PvP world.
Neutral: Action combat with some tab targeting perhaps. I am not expert on this have not bought Alpha
access for 500 euro and played myself on top of that they have made changes. However when Alpah 2
is released in year 2023 then I am sure we can get more info.
Neutral: I believe personally (I am no expert and have no inside information) that full release is 2024
that said some youtuber said he guess that this Ashes of Creation MMO is released in year 2025 or 2026.
- Well the biggest PvP fights with 500 vs 500 players will have very high system requirements.
- Monthly subfee if you are not willing to pay this is not for you.
- Early Access cost 500 euro not 60 euro like BG3. That said at full release the game cost more reasonable.
- not voluntary PvP
Conclusion if you do not like PvP and endgame content like Raids and Dungeons then I think Ashes of Creation MMO is not for you but if you like PvP and have good enough hardware in computer this MMO can be a paradise for you.

I am not expert on many details like housing or crafting exist? in Throne of Liberty aka Lineage 3 so will not mention them.
Throne of Liberty aka Lineage 3 MMO.
+ Unreal 5 graphics and it absolutely looks good.
+ Most likely full release in year 2023. The first MMO with Unreal 5 graphics.
+ They have pretty big fights also though not record breaking huge fights as Ashes of Creation MMO.
+ Seamless not instanced.
+ Voluntary PvP but how it works it is let in before hand when a specific zone is allowed PvP
if you remain and stay in the area where PvP begins you can be killed then it set that you have allowed
PvP. Personally I think this sounds ok.
+ Dungeons have many floors there is no loading screen between them
and you can buff players on different floor or give damage to another floor it is not linear.
+ You can like a Druid change to some animals for movement this instead of mounts.
+ Many classes and races.
+ Hmm I believe I could see some sexy females in this game.
+ Immersion World like WOW no loading screens.
+ I would say Lineage 2 was a success back in the days these are the same developer. I do admit
that I have never played any Lineage game though I have played example Asian Genshin Impact MMO
and Final Fantasy XIV MMO.
Neutral: I would guess it has houses and crafting.
Neutral: Dungeons/Raids are not instanced if I understood correctly.
Neutral: Made in South Korea.
- No mounts.
- Pay to win.
- No classes I dislike this!
- Aggressively Pay to win elements. In addition you buy the game buying is not a problem to buy but pay to win can be annoying.
On the other hand I played as free player Neverwinter MMO that also have buy to win elements
however how exactly Throne of Liberty MMO will be remains to be seen.

The way these MMO handle huge fights is different. Throne of Liberty aka Lineage 3 automatically reduces graphics in huge fights so it is not maximum graphics in huge fights in that game.

Ashes of Creation MMO tries to do the impossible make it look excellent graphics despite record breaking 500 vs 500 players PvP and in that mix can even PvE elements affect the battle if I understood there is a big Dragon in that area. That said for now I have not seen any battle in Alpha 1 that has had 500 vs 500 players, but pretty huge fights (and that Dragon in that area) they are optimizing the code. Remains to be seen how they can fix this 500 vs 500 players.

Sexy females in Lineage 3 MMO? I believe this woman can be a model from Lineage 2 MMO.


Lineage 2 was released 2003 in South Korea and I guess arrived to USA and Europe slightly later 2006. That content above is from year 2007.

What I find a bit time consuming here is the MMO:S that I am at least slightly interested in:

Baldurs Gate 3 is going to be released in August 2023 and perhaps it will keep one interested in it still early 2024 but even from early
2024 it is long wait for some of these MMO:S indeed.

Throne of Liberty aka Lineage 3 MMO. Unreal 5 engine and the only fantasy MMO game (that interest me) I expect full release in 2023. Unknown what will cost etc. slightly interested. but like calling it Lineage 3 instead. Release date: During 2023.
Voluntary PvP but my issues is with no classes and then PvE zerg farming bosses in outdoor dungeons and raids not balanced. Well and guess more or less buy to win elements could be included. Anyway beautiful game no doubt with Unreal 5 engine. In huge fights Lineage 3 reduce automatically graphics from what I have heard.

Ashes of Creation MMO with Unreal 5 graphics.
The ultimate PvP world. On downside not only voluntary PvP. Huge PvP battles possible example 500 vs 500 players and an Dragon in that area that can affect outcome with Unreal 5 engine and plans to not reduce graphics interesting to see how they manage to do this? We have had really big fights yes, but yet not shown 500 vs 500 players.
Hardcore old school type of MMO... Epic Raids and Dungeons instances. Slower levelup and progress.
Well not pay to win and subfee.
Release date: My guess year 2024 or 2025. During 2023 I do expect ALPHA 2 to come out and then lots of more information.

Dungeons Dragons MMO (Neverwinter ONLINE exist, but it is outdated) with Unreal 5 graphics. Developed in USA.
Release date?: Unknown Guess 2025-2028. Even the name is unknown for this MMO.

Riot (company developer of League of Legends and n other successful games) upcoming MMO. Unreal 5 graphics.
PvP will certainly be included more or less. Very unknown project, but huge budget. Will have Raids and Dungeons.
Release date?: Unknown Guess 2025-2028. Even the name is unknown for this MMO.

Unreal 5 only better graphics? No it runs better system performance. Despite excellent graphics better system performance for big /huge fights. It runs much better then Ray Tracing yet manage to look as good. It runs better then Unreal 4 engine huge fights. One of the effects that Unreal 5 manage with other technology do what ray tracing can do and with much less system requirements.

Nahhhh only shoooterssss

Well, I was big into MMORPGs.

Played Vanguard for all seven years it ran. But then it was shut down.

Unfortunately nothing else compares to Vanguard, and I dont see even just an attempt to create something like Vanguard at the most distant horizon.

For example, one of the awesome features of Vanguard was how they go most of the classes right. The appointed successor Pantheon does no such thing. They will come with simple classes.

Also the dynamic combat system was something unique. Most classes played very differently from each other.

The dungeons designs. The raids. The crafting system. Etc etc etc. It was all so well done.

And now its just all gone.

I play Guild Wars 2 now with friends. It's a really beautiful made game with a wholesome community. I like the story and new twist of well known classes and races.
And the music is so good - Fear not that Night will probably never leave my playlist. I literally cried, when it played in game.