You know, for all the people here arguing about the "female" models and sexism....what about the "male" ones? What of the stereotypes inherent in those? The traditional values being pushed? The fact that every single concern one raises about those "sexist" values plaguing female characters is mirrored in some manner in male characters?

Do those issues not matter? If you raise one concern why not both? And if a game does indeed perpetuate both (ie D:OS) than why focus on just one side?

I find many of the points raised in this thread both moot in the clear bias shown, overblown, and self-indulgent in a false bid to raise concern for an unconcerned party that clearly doesnt want to be represented by them.

The goal posts of those with concerns and the envelope they use to package and structure those concerns keep getting pushed further and wider.

We've gone from a singular character model pose all the way to indirect historic sexism (which is ridiculous to bring up since the word didnt' rightly exist at the time and gender roles were embraced -> don't push your own moral values by evaluating a culture/time not your own as wrong or unjust) to arguing "sexism" in an industry and how it should be "improved" or made "better" cause obviously moral social "progressive" values are so utterly important to a commercial product or artistic creation.

I'm not trying to be scathing in my interpretation of others views but I am flummoxed and indignant that an individual(s) can come off as feeingl so....utterly like they have the moral high ground and are simply informing the rest of us shallow mortals how we can be improved in their infinite mercy and understanding.

Once again, I'll say it: you're arguments for change are failing on nearly all fronts. You're discussions would make far more progress by arguing for add-ons that create a more inclusive environment to satisfy yourselves. Arguing for adding in a naked barbarian doing ballet would do more for more you than arguing why a female model pose is "elegant" and "unreal." In fact, I dare say, many disagreeing with you about sexism and such would be right behind you in wishing for a modern dancing Conana character.....hell, I would. That sounds fun and different and doesn't detract from anything at all