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Man, that's the depth of understanding you have about his complaints while going through 3+ pages of this? Yikes.

Let's actually go over his complaints, yeah?



Let's call this Part A:

1. He doesn't like to reload (mainly because it breaks the immersion/game flow - separate argument entirely).

2. There are encounters that completely destroy all experience - he means experience as in immersion/game flow.

3. There is a situation where you can spend 10 hours in the game and think you prepared.

4. With the notion that you are as prepared as possible you end up dying horribly.

And much later as a recap, we'll call it Part B, and his actual concern:

1. Fuck reloading because of immersion/pacing issues (separate argument).
2. You can never know fully what the encounter has to offer until you contact it.
3. Not being prepared for an encounter can cause reloads.
4. Therefore you should be able to discover information about or escape from an encounter in order to avoid reloads.

After breaking it down are you sure you're still on point? I am sending your logic home in a body bag if you still think you are.

Let me point out this about the incestuous circle jerk that's happening here right now to give you a hint that you are not on point:

Even if you change the CC and armor mechanics his concerns are still not addressed because it only solves A.4 and not anything else.

I mentioned it earlier in one of my posts what he was really after and what people in this culture take for granted at times - including myself.

But hey, I doubt you're here to actually discuss and learn; it's a fucking pity and a waste because this subject has way more depth than what you're giving it credit for.

Well, knowing my luck I'd be beside the frog.

Speaking of whom, one thing which players new to Larian games don't always grasp is that if you get an oblique warning you should take it very seriously. For example, on a first playthrough a comment such as "Are you sure you are ready for this?" actually means "We'll get the body bags ready.".

The point was to conceal the saves being made. If they turn up in the load menu, they can hardly be invisible.

Because you used stunlock. Its either CC or be CC'd. This is just a one sided fight and frogs dont CC. The arena doesnt CC either for the most part in comparison to most of the other battles. The crocodiles permastunned my party with fear until they killed me which lasted 6 turns.

@Limz
Hey, people saw what you were pointing at. I even supported it.

The experience here also just really highlights issues with the current CC and armor system. And as that it something more concrete to discuss and a hot topic in the threads, it's what people are focusing on

If you're not using your CC, not sure what you're doing.
There are both physical CC and magical CC.
Frogs fight wasn't something special to me, iirc I still used 1 res scroll, because yeah at low lvl without gear it's hard, teleported the frog on the platform, and that's it.
Also never fight with your party stacked on each others.

The CC is the problem, ya know?
It works, but it's way too strong. For both the AI and the player

I have to make something clear here, people on this forum are not casual players, most players never go to forums, even less post on forums.

Secondary, most people would only play this game once and whatever they going to buy next Lucian or recommend this game or not will depend on this one playthru. So all the people that played some place like 10 times and because of that think that it is easy don't realy get this topic.

I really haven't run into any CC problem moments. I ran up against CC problem moments a lot more in D:OS with puddles and lightning than I have in this game. I feel that the tools in the current game make CC management really easy.
One of my guys in a lightning puddle? Frost armor and boom, effective character again. My tank takes too much CC? Give him all the mage armor. Problem solved.
In the first game, with random CC. I had little to no control. Now I have all the control and that is a huge improvement. I don't understand (and haven't seen any arguments except 'it happened to me') that support the idea that D:OS's random CC system gives the player more control than the current system.

However, I can support adaptations to CC in the form of more interesting conditions that may limit player concerns.

As to the other main ideas in this thread. I really do feel like proper play is the biggest and simplest solution and the early and original post were very childish. It has since become a bit more mature (while simultaneously more aggressive by some posters)

Solutions which make sense:
1. Pick the difficulty you want to experience. Exploration mode is exactly what the OP wants, and if he encounters the same problems in that mode than maybe we have another discussion. Since he never said what difficulty he picked I am confident to say he picked classic. Because of 'alpha' they haven't been explained during the choice and but are pretty straightforward (for those who had the same options in D:OS). I have often chosen lower difficulty in games that I have just started or purchased to experience the story.

2. More effort could be made with tool-tips/tutorials. However, the 'pre game' which Devs have already stated will appear before the island to help players understand the mechanics, isn't in yet. So this should help encourage players to control party members individually or in smaller groups while maneuvering in dangerous places. In addition, some words (I feel like there are enough already, but we still have this thread so..) on the importance of height and terrain would help to make people think 'hey, maybe I shouldn't walk through this narrow ravine with convenient ambush locations on all sides but look, stairs I can climb off to the side!" (this is the case with the current problem ambush)

3. After the above, people still complaining really have no excuse.

For my part, I appreciate how rough some of the fights can get, and don't mind an occasional reload. On that note, is there any places currently where you can buy resurrect scrolls?

And in a patch or two the 'explorer' difficulty will have a tool-tip which says 'Casual players, click here!'
Classic will say 'People who are familiar with D:OS or turn based tactical combat click here!'
Harder will say 'prepare to reload worms!'

And none of this thread will matter anymore.

As to the second point, do I get this topic because I only fully completed the alpha once but still disagree with your suggestions and OP?
I have to say, I feel your pain, I play with my partner and she disliked reloading when we lose a battle. It has happened, but it never 'ruined' the experience. If anything it has sharpened it by making the battles more meaningful and our actions/preparation more important. So now she sneaks around and asks me to quick save often and unlocks here characters from eachother to spread out.

This just tells me you have awful taste for movies, honestly.

rather re-start than re-load? sorry, i find "that notion" funny, but dont get the point.

Me too, I played Nethack for 1 year before I ascend. I died more than 100 times in the process. Patience is expected for anyone who loves this kind of playstyle.



OP didn't tell us which fight it is. But afaik, there are signs for ambush in ea version such as characters' comments "I have a bad feeling", melted corpses and/or autosave.



This is not the case. None of the enemies in this alpha can instagib you like Braccus Rex in the first game so you always have chance to escape.



But you CAN escape to avoid reloads. OP get wiped because his/her team stand in the water and get stunned. Water/blood + air = charged water. This is consistent in the whole game. OP should have noticed this if he has played the game for 10 hours.

None of the enemies can instagib you? I trust that you got to the final battle, because there's this Magister who tends to cast an insane AoE spell that more or less decimates anything it hits. Funnily enough, it's the same spell that Braccus used to incinerate people and haunt players' nightmares with in D:OS. And she just tends to cast it not on the Void wyrm, but on at least two of your party members. That's the definition of "instagib".

OK I didn't get instagibbed in that fight. Maybe it is because I put 4 points in leadership and have higher initiative than that lass so I bailed and the worm killed her. If this the encounter that make OP upset then I agree it would need some balance.

Seems to be, from reading this one and other forums about stunlock is that there are basically two groups of people. One that thinks that constantly having to reload the game is immersion breaking and is almost like cheating, and another group thinks that loading is fine and that's how you basically learn the game.
First group basically hates stunlock and the other one is fine with it.
I'm kind of in the middle of it, I like stunlock abilities however it is annoying when you get ambushed out of nowhere and you can't do much about it. I think the problem lies elsewhere currently. To me its ok if I start an encounter and one of my guys gets stunned, however its not cool when 2 or more are stunned right off the bat.
I think a way to resolve this is to bring back the formations from the last game. I think this will resolve the issue of your whole group being stun locked. I remember last game once that was introduced the game was still challenging but I had to reload a lot less due to feeling I got screwed by the game. If I lost it was usually my fault.
The first play through I did in DOS 2 I kept getting annoyed for my whole party getting hit what seemed like out of nowhere and reloading a previous safe and arranging my guys accordingly for that encounter kind of cheapens the experience of said encounter I think. Having to reload every time you get ambushed so you can set up properly makes it so that there aren't actually any ambushes in the game.

Sorry OP, just... git gud.
And learn to play this game. You seem to not understand it at all. Get your armors and elemental resists. Get higher initiative FFS.
And if the devs decide to rebalance the unforgiving gameplay to being just another grind-fest with zero competition - do it only for explorer difficulty, for all the crybabies to play in their little ponyland, please.

P.S. On my first ever D:OS1 playthrough my party wasn't nearly wiped by that Braccus' meteor, though it was kinda unexpected. I did win it only on my second try, cause eventually I still got mowed down with the twins and ghoul, but still, the meteor wasn't a total disaster. So just git gud.

It was not a total disaster in the original game but it was in EE.

For people who have no problems with reload that would be fine. It is not difficult to counter that once you know it. But it is definitely unfair for OP.