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stranger
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Joined: Sep 2017
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They even give you random rich trader as you do quests sometime just to give you another source of gold for a quick reset-thievery so you really have no problem with gold in this game. Ellezard at least talks about reset-thievery, which sounds like that. That's why, I said, saying to win Tactician without exploit while using such an exploit counterdicts themselves. Dunno what you mean axactly but reset thievery is a completly different thing. You buy things from a merchant and take it back. This works 4x times if every char has points into thievery, or only one time per merchant if you only have one thief. That's all intended and allright. The issue is that this is certainly not enough to fully equip your chars with epic gear every few lvls when things cost 2-5k per item even with a 5 barter char and a maxed(100) merchant. Not to mention the skillbooks you need to buy. And no we didn't used that bug even if we found it rather fast the moment we where able to respec/choose new chars. That's the reason I did create this topic. Without using it tacticians is kinda dumb because your gear is kinda backwards all the time. We play with 4 ppl and we can only keep 2 ppl(our ranger and melee) gearwise up to date if we play it the intended way. And even that needs stealing/looting everything. So it's more like 1 1/2 char which is up to date. ;> You would need around 30-40k gold to upgrade the whole party every 2 lvl with proper gear from merchants. You can play it with this bug and say it's a faceroll or play it the normal way and just *sigh* at some shield values enemies have later on.
Last edited by Kangaxx; 19/09/17 02:56 PM.
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Reset thievery is just using respec to get thievery, not "reset pick pocket counter". Never knew about that. My team is all origin. I just have them wear the lizard mask and keep illusion on when I don't need quest. Proof: https://i.imgur.com/5zrLVW0.jpgThis also means I am playing with 2 of them not being able to wear actual hat and still stomp everything. It's disappointing you try to ignore the fact that you might be doing poorly that you accuse people who do better of using game breaking exploit. The shop resets every hour and each NPC sells a specific type of legendary and right now, I am shopping around for divine gear that makes an apperance at level 16. Don't blame me that I manage to find all of them and leave them alive so I can always update my gear when I need to. The only bug I am using right now is to turn on the illusion and talk to the mirror. This allows me to customize the way the character look in their illusion until they revert. And you don't need to update everything. The only one that must be updated at all time is the weapon. I only update my armor if it comes with warfare, huntsman and whatever other talent I need. And 1+3 origin char thievery is more than enough to keep you rich and updated. Just stack thievery gear. I don't even feel like doing it that much anymore because from selling old gears, my update level 16 still has 95k gold left and I still have a crap ton of merchant I don't even bother to steal more than once.
Last edited by Ellezard; 19/09/17 03:03 PM.
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stranger
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Joined: Sep 2017
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Reset thievery is just using respec to get thievery, not "reset pick pocket counter". Never knew about that. My team is all origin. I just have them wear the lizard mask and keep illusion on when I don't need quest. Proof: https://i.imgur.com/5zrLVW0.jpgThis also means I am playing with 2 of them not being able to wear actual hat and still stomp everything. It's disappointing you try to ignore the fact that you might be doing poorly that you accuse people who do better of using game breaking exploit. The shop resets every hour and each NPC sells a specific type of legendary and right now, I am shopping around for divine gear that makes an apperance at level 16. Don't blame me that I manage to find all of them and leave them alive so I can always update my gear when I need to. The only bug I am using right now is to turn on the illusion and talk to the mirror. This allows me to customize the way the character look in their illusion until they revert. And you don't need to update everything. The only one that must be updated at all time is the weapon. I only update my armor if it comes with warfare, huntsman and whatever other talent I need. And 1+3 origin char thievery is more than enough to keep you rich and updated. Just stack thievery gear. I don't even feel like doing it that much anymore because from selling old gears, my update level 16 still has 95k gold left and I still have a crap ton of merchant I don't even bother to steal more than once. You don't get to 400+/400+ armor with that damage and stats witout using this exploit (especially because you said you upgraded all the time in other threads) except if all your other chars just wearing low lvl gear and even than it's not much likely, considering the cost of a single weapon.  Because you only can steal your things 1(or 4 times, if you spec every char into thievery for that) time(s) back per merchant it's kinda obvious what you did there. It's just kinda obvious for anyone who knows the bug and you can defend yourself like you want it doesnt matter much. :p
Last edited by Kangaxx; 19/09/17 03:30 PM.
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Joined: Sep 2017
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You don't even need thievery, Lucky find alone will gear up your party and make you ton of money. It is so OP. They should maybe increase the drop rates and better quest rewards so we don't have to use these questionable methods.
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You don't get to 400+/400+ armor with that damage and stats witout using this exploit (especially because you said you upgraded all the time in other threads) except if all your other chars just wearing low lvl gear and even than it's not much likely, considering the cost of a single weapon.  Because you only can steal your things 1(or 4 times, if you spec every char into thievery for that) time(s) back per merchant it's kinda obvious what you did there. It's just kinda obvious for anyone who knows the bug and you can defend yourself like you want it doesnt matter much. :p If you have been stealing from everyone, only 2 thief is enough and both my Ifan and main ranger char have maxed thievery, 8 with current thievery gears I swap when I want to pick pocket. The game gives so much trader everywhere that respec steal isn't even mandatory to keep your gear updated. At least 40% of the longer quest come with a new trader to steal and even some random npc you rescue, like the cow girl, is a trader. Just the Lone Wolf place give you 3 traders, that's almost 90k to earn with 2 thieves if you just wait for an hour before killing the boss so they can restock and be pick pocketed twice. Stop rushing quests for exp. I'm already 53 hours in and I'm only level 16 because I leave the game on sometime just for the store to restock. If I really bother to respec-steal with Fane + Red prince on all of the merchant I am shopping from, I will probably have 400k leftover or something which is just overkill and unnecessary. And learn to plan ahead. I left fort joy with almost 30k worth of total fund because I didn't steal anything until level 6 with thievery gear. Right now, I am leaving at least 5 trader open for pickpocket hoping there will be a thievery ring or something soon so I can make 50k on each of them instead of 30k.
Last edited by Ellezard; 19/09/17 04:01 PM.
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Classic is fine I am about second half of Act 2 and yeah they hit hard, but the trick is before you engage is to take decent position spread in difficult to reach areas with height advantage where possible.
Also the tactic where you send tank as a bait to take that initial burst works well too.
Also when you talk and you are about to take a kill all shit dialogue or it goes that way (pretty obvious in most cases), you can still select rest of the party members and spread them around, heck you can even initiate yourself - get full AoE magical combo nuke in the juiciest clump while NPCs talk to your tank with something like "hurr durr u gonna die now!".
Basically if you survive the initial round with good results you can probably already CC the biggest nuisances and then shut them down. The rest you can teleport to Africa and if you chose good destination it will take them 2-3 turns to even become relevant.
Of course sometimes retarded shit happens, but really just with above you pretty much have 90% success rate spoiled only by something ridiculous like assassin with adrenaline teleporting and twoshotting some clothie. Thread is about TACTICIAN, learn to read.
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Can't you only stealth from any single person once? How do you do reset/thievery? You can reset the counter if you delete/fire one char and just create a new one for free. Put 3-5 points in thievery and rob the merchant again. Delete the char afterwards and higher a new one, repeat this as many times as you like. That's btw the reason why Ellezard has this much epic gear on every char. It's just exploiting the game and bragging afterwards. Everyone can do it this way and it makes tactician for sure easy but it is not intended. You can even reload every time until you get the dreamgear you want on the merchant. Thank you for exposing him i was getting tired of his BS.
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Can't you only stealth from any single person once? How do you do reset/thievery? You can reset the counter if you delete/fire one char and just create a new one for free. Put 3-5 points in thievery and rob the merchant again. Delete the char afterwards and higher a new one, repeat this as many times as you like. That's btw the reason why Ellezard has this much epic gear on every char. It's just exploiting the game and bragging afterwards. Everyone can do it this way and it makes tactician for sure easy but it is not intended. You can even reload every time until you get the dreamgear you want on the merchant. Thank you for exposing him i was getting tired of his BS. Expose me on? He claimed I made a bunch of custom character and deleted them to steal over and over because I had 4 lizard in a team in my screenshot. I proved him wrong by showing that my character are all origins, just wearing masks so there was no custom character at all. So anything, this is a case of "If someone does better than me, they're always cheating". I can't wait for struggling baddies to say I am cheating my ranger damage because I shoot my arrows at a certain angle which bug the game or something.
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Stop rushing quests for exp. I'm already 53 hours in and I'm only level 16 because I leave the game on sometime just for the store to restock. If I really bother to respec-steal with Fane + Red prince on all of the merchant I am shopping from, I will probably have 400k leftover or something which is just overkill and unnecessary.
And learn to plan ahead. I left fort joy with almost 30k worth of total fund because I didn't steal anything until level 6 with thievery gear. Right now, I am leaving at least 5 trader open for pickpocket hoping there will be a thievery ring or something soon so I can make 50k on each of them instead of 30k. This is still seriously gaming the system and completely OOC. Not that it's necessarily wrong for a max-difficulty settings, but when you hear the braggarts on the forum describing how they faceroll the game easily and you compare with the incredibly convoluted ways used, you can't help but feel titanic dissonance.
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Can't you only stealth from any single person once? How do you do reset/thievery? You can reset the counter if you delete/fire one char and just create a new one for free. Put 3-5 points in thievery and rob the merchant again. Delete the char afterwards and higher a new one, repeat this as many times as you like. That's btw the reason why Ellezard has this much epic gear on every char. It's just exploiting the game and bragging afterwards. Everyone can do it this way and it makes tactician for sure easy but it is not intended. You can even reload every time until you get the dreamgear you want on the merchant. Thank you for exposing him i was getting tired of his BS. So anything, this is a case of "If someone does better than me, they're always cheating". I can't wait for struggling baddies to say I am cheating my ranger damage because I shoot my arrows at a certain angle which bug the game or something. Is that what you think of yourself exploiter? "better". That is actually really sad... that you feel the need to prove yourself on a game and resort to petty insults to anyone that proves you are abusing exploits on the game. Look, this is not about you kid, it is about the game being broken and certainly that 56k people playing on Steam right now have a balanced game it is more important than you e-pen, so of course people is going to call you out on your BS, grow up.
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It's one thing if I just go "hahaha filthy casual" but did I do any of that?
I clearly point out what people are possibly doing wrong in their gameplay that lead to their struggling instead of just saying "git gud". All of them require absolutely no exploit, just knowledge about the game mechanic and proper planning.
If you get triggered by people offering advice and stating that your complaints are a bunch of nonsense, don't participate in the discussion and stay away from the tactician mode.
but if you want me to stretch my E-peen, I will say this then
"Stay away from Tactician mode you filthy scrub"
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Guys, you don´t really understand tactician difficulty... Its supposed to be HARD, like seriously hard, so hard that you have to figure out NEW ways to overcome that. And that doesnt always specify that new ways have to be in combat tactics, because thats upto you, Larian always said they want you to have total freedom in what you do - so I don´t think that Ellezard utilizing his freedom, and knowledge of game to give himself a chance to beat the game is anything bad. Sure, tactician mode is badly implemented with its stat-bloat, BUT it still fills its purpose - it makes "casuals" cry  That is what original tactician did aswell, it was just more entertaining in DOSEE... I mean everybody who tried Honor mode in DOSEE knows that you had to be quite unconventional to win, utilizing special pulling mechanics, specific gearing sometimes, using all the teleports and possible combos and everything the map could give you to have a chance. Using REGULAR game mechanics just to properly gear up, isn´t really all that interesting considering other options.
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old hand
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Joined: Jul 2017
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I find it a bit unfair to put the blame on Ellezard and calling him/her exploiter. What I read from him/her sounds reasonable, explains his/her style of play and backs his/her points. It's also nice that he/she stays away from stark language and personal arguments so common in such discussions. However, from what I read I don't like even this way to deal with game difficulty. If it is a necessary manner to live with Tactician by Larian's design, and from what TsunAmik said I don't doubt it, I'm really glad I rerolled on Classic in Act 1. Stay calm and cool.
Last edited by geala; 20/09/17 06:31 AM.
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