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Do you remember btc and wotlk wow? What was main criteria of every build? 108% hitchance, for absolutely certain hit chance on bosses. Main criteria of every tank? Overcapped defense, so he cannot ever get critically hit by boss. Exactly what Ellezard is talking about, when RNG is involved, almost all good/optimal builds will evolve around reducing that RNG. Removing this RNG part was good move from larian.
About initiative - its all about balancing for good and worse players. The way it worked, every fight would be trivialized by 4x high wits character, killing/crowdcontrolling most of enemies in turn 1. To compensate that, you would have to nerf basically ALL the abilities and stats, so that doesnt happen. BUT if you do that, all NON-Wits party comps would suddenly be greatly underpowered in allmost all scenarios, effectively creating huge roadblock, surpasable with only one build or some cheese strategies Its just lesser evil, I dont say its particularly great solution, but it is easy to implement, easy to balance, easy to understand.
As for ability to make build based on speed and adaptability... dude, thats what movement speed, memory, multiple classes and skills are for... much more than turn order lul
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