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I found this quest disappointing because I can't imagine what motivation most characters would have completing this quest through the traditional route. I mean, why would you be helping the magisters at this point in the game?
I finally went back to an earlier save, persuaded the cook I would keep her secret, and then killed Carver. I had hoped this might lead to an alternative completion when speaking with the cook again, but it looks like it will just eventually close.
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The reason you are "helping" the magisters is to track down source.. the cook had source power and was worth investigating... even if you didnt get anything useful out of it.. your entire purpose in act 2 is tracking down source power no matter what you have to do.. even making deals with demons and undead just to gain that power... the human god at least sais "do whatever it takes"
So that is why you would be helping them.. because its a chance to learn more about source.
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Edit: I just replayed this quest. It turns out that you can finish the quest (possibly losing some XP, didn't do the tally) by doing the exceedingly simple and obvious: Kill Carver. The log says that the murders will likely never be resolved now, and that is exactly what I wanted to achieve. Considering that the alternative, telling on the cook to Carver, will probably result in the magisters finally going over the edge and launching a full-blown pogrom with lots of innocent dead, not the worst outcome imo. (Carver's loot was also far better than the paltry quest reward he offers, just saying... certainly didn't influence my choice...)
Last edited by Terodil; 20/09/17 11:57 AM. Reason: Replayed.
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Edit: I just replayed this quest. It turns out that you can finish the quest (possibly losing some XP, didn't do the tally) by doing the exceedingly simple and obvious: Kill Carver. The log says that the murders will likely never be resolved now, and that is exactly what I wanted to achieve. Considering that the alternative, telling on the cook to Carver, will probably result in the magisters finally going over the edge and launching a full-blown pogrom with lots of innocent dead, not the worst outcome imo. (Carver's loot was also far better than the paltry quest reward he offers, just saying... certainly didn't influence my choice...) Yeah I did that, I just would have liked a more official ending towards that path. So that is why you would be helping them.. because its a chance to learn more about source.
I don't really remember anything about a source vibe, other than that the magisters suspect a Sourcerer. It seems like the default path once you find the cook and realize they aren't a sourcerer should be throw the magisters off her trail. (shrug)
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Yeah I did that, I just would have liked a more official ending towards that path. Agreed, it's not the most satisfying quest outcome ever; then again, this quest really is about choosing the lesser evil, and BOTH NPCs... well, let's say, lack charisma. On the one hand you have the xenophobic zealot and loose cannon, on the other hand you have an actual cannibal psychopath. So the outcome not being all rainbows and unicorns should have been expected (by myself as well, just saying). Who knows what comes out of (y)our decision. I certainly don't feel happy about it, either way, I just tend to think that the psychopath is slightly less *Mordin-sniff* problematic than that militaristic religious nut.
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At first, I tended to agree with you - a few dead Magisters makes my job a whole lot easier.
But then I started thinking: remember Magister Sang (the one who was poisoned in the ruins)? Or...uh...I think it was Magister Ames (the one that had been blinded)? Or what about Magister Atusa?
Yes, there are some real messed up Magisters out there, no doubt. But I think that most of them (like many of the people) are probably just scared. Sure there will always be those who abuse that fear *cough*Dallis*cough* and try to control others with it, but in general I think that these people are just afraid of the horrific nightmare demons that seem to be cropping up and tearing people apart wherever Sourcerer's are found.
On the other hand, this cook is a loose cannon. And if you think that she's only killing Magisters, just remember that if you confront her about it, she has no qualms killing you. Even if you tell her that you agree with what she's doing, she still seems quite eager to add you to her stew. I think leaving her to her antics is probably more dangerous for everybody - how long until she decides to branch out and hurt other people?
That said, I actually thought this was a good quest. Mostly because it did not have a clear right/wrong answer. And who cares about quest rewards? I don't play this game for the rewards, I get the rewards from playing the game. <Insert more cheesy lines here>
Last edited by Lord_Sloth; 21/09/17 02:01 AM. Reason: Misspelling
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She was killing cops/soldiers and feeding them to people without their knowledge, even if you think the Magisters need to go, thats pretty beyond the pale.
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If you hand in the ring to Carver, he will send his assistant to go handle the problem who is obviously just scared of the Voidwoken threat and wants to try do something. She's not overly rude or aggressive or disturbed, she's just a normal everyday girl trying to do her bit.
If she goes, the cook will murder her there and then.
It's about understanding the lesser of two evils and trying to make decisions that benefit the good people of the world, not the evil ones. Not all of the Magisters are outright terrible and that understanding creates a moral dilemma. Think of all the Magisters you've spoken to in the game who aren't total dicks that just want to try make the world a better place without the extremes.
On the other hand, the cook may be benefiting sorcerers but she's essentially murdering the wrong people and willingly feeding poisoned food to everyone else, she's not just a danger to Magisters but she's a danger to the general society.
And thus, the choice is your moral perspective.
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Yeah, this discussion is proof that the quest is actually a great one. Perhaps one that could have used a slightly more satisfying ending for option #2, but this right here is what RPGs should be about.
That said, I'm pretty certain the cook ONLY uses magisters as ingredients. I don't remember coming across any other corpses, or evidence to the contrary, neither written nor oral; my memory fails me a bit but didn't the cook even admit to specifically murdering magisters? I agree it's not the nicest thing to feed them to unsuspecting customers (ahem), but the alternative of potentially providing the spark that pushes the magisters over the edge into a full-blown pogrom of elves and source users is not terribly attractive either. I mean they're almost there already. You look like you could be a source user? Burn the witch. Eh, I mean, hang her by the thumb first and let her dangle for a while. Then collar her like a pet and take her to that concentration camp lovingly called Fort Joy. Where she'll be turned into a mindless abomination. For the greater good. *vigorous nodding*
Last edited by Terodil; 24/09/17 06:09 PM.
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