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Hi everybody,

~30h ingame, just left "Island Joy" and can reskill my party on the ship.
Played a lot of different RPGs before.

Until now, I had (and still have) quiet some problems with my party.
Mainly because of the many skills & spells. It is just confusing!
It is hard to guess, which skill combinations work, won't work, or just fit my playstyle. For example my tank, warfare/necro? Or warfare/polymorph?

I'd like to try both of these, just to play with the spells and learn how they play together.

Now, that I can respec on the boat, I can easily change the skills my tank has. He's now necro instead of poly. Nice! But how do I test these out? I have literally no spells I could use. Not even a single one!

So I need to save game, buy skillbooks, skill, play some time, and if it doesn't fit, reload and lose some serious gameplay. I literally spend hours of reading the DOS Wiki, to see what spells are there, what do they do and what do I want.

The need to "farm money/save/load/skill" makes this method just tideous and exhausting! But I see no other way, since there are so many many different possible combinations! And the fact, that a book magically disappears after reading, doesn't make it easier.

It would be much better when spells come automatically from the skill level.
1 Point in warfare gives you Battlestop, 2 points to unlock Bouncing Shield, and so on.

This would just take the skill system out of the "gold farming" cycle.
i could respecc, test, and if it doesn't fit I respecc again. Feels more like RPG. No save/load/lose hours of gameplay anymore. The opportunity to reskill endless times is worthless, if I can't obtain the spells to use this skill.


What do you think?

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Alex

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That would be a completely radical rework to the entire balancing of the skills, economy, and Memory attribute, and it would not be possible to do on existing saved games (at least, not without making existing characters much more powerful and eliminating a gold sink). That kind of thing would be even more of a radical change than to the armor system.

It would not be easy to implement and test. I do not believe that Larian would be keen to upend the whole system like that.

My only suggestion would be to transition over time - keep some points into Poly but put a couple into necro and then gradually build up your library of Necromancer books over time and replace the Poly skills. You can respec the remaining points out of Poly later for free. (Turn off Light shadows in the Graphics options before respeccing, though!)


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Hi Stabbey,

maybe my wording wasn't exact enough, let me ask why do you think this needs a complete rework of skill balancing?

Now:
- I reach a level
- I invest points into warfare
- I go and buy a book/spell

vs.

- I reach a level
- I invest points into warfare
- I automatically learn that spell

The only thing that's affected is the walk to the vendor and some gold I spare.

Just gaining the spell shouldn't mean it's also memorized!
The memory skill wouldn't be affected at all, I would still need to memorize it, if I want to use it.

However, I see that Larian uses vendors, to limit the access to available spells.
With my suggestion you could max out a skill in act 1, what grants access to the high tear spells (which wouldn't be available regularly).
But then you'd have only 1 skill, and you'd lack spells from other skills. I could choose between "Only good fighter" or "kind of OK in many skills" - which is (imo) a good thing

Or it would be possible to also set a level requirement for a spell, for example overpower is only available at warfare 10 and char level 12.

When, in the game, is it possible to earn all possible spells of one skill?



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Dont buy - steal
Steal all, learn all
u should have full spell library in ur book

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Hello Roamer,

yeah, I've done that. I stole every book i could in "Island Joy".
At the end, when I stole from Gareth, he always told me "Hmm, I found nothing, but you look very guilty", and then proceeds to attack me.

I was able to avoid that after some save/load, but with 4 chars, and that many skill combinations, thats not optimal :(

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Just use some items with +Schools to fill ur Spell book before selling them
u need for most spells like +2


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