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Cmon guys buffs at combat start have been in games like this, since they exist. Pff, yeah, should've known that she'd basically be invulnerable to elemental damage.
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That hannag reborn just one shot my tankiest character... Level 14 and my 2,5k character just died off screen ( dumb npc that Ubolt(ran faster than flash) all around the map instead of waiting for the rope to be usable).
Skills do 500 Surface did 9400...... wtf
I wanted to put an image but it seem impossible. ^^
Was going for Alice... coming back soon. I hope...
Edit: Destroyed Hannag before she could do anything else. That poodle is deadly...
Last edited by [LET]HolyKnight; 23/10/17 04:44 PM.
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HolyKnight]That hannag reborn just one shot my tankiest character... Level 14 and my 2,5k character just died off screen ( dumb npc that Ubolt(ran faster than flash) all around the map instead of waiting for the rope to be usable).
Skills do 500 Surface did 9400...... wtf
I wanted to put an image but it seem impossible. ^^
Was going for Alice... coming back soon. I hope... The strategy for killing Hannag Reborn is remember that 2 turns after she dies she will respawn and immediately cast Lava Portal. So, 2 turns after she dies, you want your entire party to be cham cloaked, so they will not be targeted.
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Killed her and never saw her reborn, I just came back way after to look at the rest of the area. ^^
Ohh!! Well, Alice just one shot my entire group with one spell. To do 2k+ AOE damage in one spell shouldn't be... Especially when I can't even have a turn. It's not that fun to reload to cheese, and I don't like (opinion) to prepare before a fight with knowledge my character should not have. I like to be able to adapt, run away to come back or win a fight barely with 1-2 survivors.
It's the first time I truly got party wipe in a "one shot" one action style. The only other fight I did not like for the "Get nearly destroyed to the point of no return" before having an action is the Eternal with the wolves. Both time I was force to cheese at the start because I knew the fight was coming and unbalanced.
And the Eternal fight is mostly difficult because of the (opinion) rule I don't like about summon, they have their action right after being summon, giving no time for the player to react. It is the most important sentence here. That fight mostly start with the Eternal summoning two buddy and they hit like truck.
Might be a bug or something...
Burning anger cast one time
On one character two time 700 ish damage 5 time 300 ish damage
Is this normal, for 3 characters it's two screen worth of text in the chat. And she freaking teleport people into group to one shot them.... very good...
Here is a screenshot of the fighting text https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9EB98vLrM_OWU5Yb0luZ3czaTQ
Last edited by [LET]HolyKnight; 23/10/17 05:45 PM.
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That is pretty normal yeah. As I said if you come back there with level appropriate gear (level 16 gear) then she doesn't 1 shot you.
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i mean, the solution is to just unchain your party and position them so that you aren't all getting hit by one spell. one person might die but as long as you have enough physical damage to get through her armor and knock her down you can deal with the pain aura (blessing her removes this aura apparently) and kill her that way
you can also teleport her away from the totems to prevent taking additional damage or having them heal her
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I wonder if cursing her removes the cold resistance.
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Yeah, this fight pretty much sucks. Having to go full on cheese-meta just to survive, with an auto-save where you instantly die... that's just bad design in my book.
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So using either Living on the edge or fire res potions is cheese? Both work as intended...
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So using either Living on the edge or fire res potions is cheese? Both work as intended... The funny thing is you don't even need to do either, just have level appropriate gear and by the same level as her. I guess buying gear from vendors to keep on level with your enemy is cheese as well though.
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You dont really need to meta on this one (though there are other places which are eye rolling). I think its obvious she has a fire fetish and her level is clearly displayed so its just a matter of fire resist and appropriate level... all i did was had my one guy with nearly 50% fire resist walk up to her and she could not one shot him. I didnt know if she would attack nor how long the dialog would be but yoy cab also suck down a fire resist potion (which I had tons of but never used) to make it even easier.
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You dont really need to meta on this one (though there are other places which are eye rolling). I think its obvious she has a fire fetish and her level is clearly displayed so its just a matter of fire resist and appropriate level... all i did was had my one guy with nearly 50% fire resist walk up to her and she could not one shot him. I didnt know if she would attack nor how long the dialog would be but yoy cab also suck down a fire resist potion (which I had tons of but never used) to make it even easier. Even with -40% fire resist you survive the initial onslaught provided you have level appropriate gear, I gave it a test, just for lols.
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Well, let me give it a test too. Party all decked in lvl 16 gear. Lvl 15 encounter.
Lohse and Ifan instantly die. Red Prince and Fane die on their own turn due to the Piercing damage effect applied to them.
I easily beat it with cheese (offer up one superbuffed teammate, then let the rest join) since after that, no more challenge. Same with the RRjja-whatever godwoken Lizard Demon on Bloodmoon island, does an Arrow attack killing you instantly. She started hostile though, so I spawned an eagle and it took the damage, leaving a pathetically easy fight afterwards.
That's just bad design. Doesn't matter how "easy" or "balanced" it is with the known trick. Insta-kill then having to reload to surpass it is just... bad design.
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Well, let me give it a test too. Party all decked in lvl 16 gear. Lvl 15 encounter.
Lohse and Ifan instantly die. Red Prince and Fane die on their own turn due to the Piercing damage effect applied to them.
I easily beat it with cheese (offer up one superbuffed teammate, then let the rest join) since after that, no more challenge. Same with the RRjja-whatever godwoken Lizard Demon on Bloodmoon island, does an Arrow attack killing you instantly. She started hostile though, so I spawned an eagle and it took the damage, leaving a pathetically easy fight afterwards.
That's just bad design. Doesn't matter how "easy" or "balanced" it is with the known trick. Insta-kill then having to reload to surpass it is just... bad design. https://youtu.be/yBdVvaIT5igAn example of surviving the initial hit with -40% fire resistance. In a party of 4 I would space out characters so that they don't all get caught in a single fireball and have tools like cryogenic stasis, peace of mind (to deal with madness/charmed which she likes to use) etc. You just need to survive a single hit to make the fight doable, winning in 1 turn is not required since you can use plenty of survival tools to prolong the fight provided you can have at least a single tool. Chameleon cloak is slightly less useful due to her pain aura, but it still has some utility. Provided you can have 1 turn, you can then win the fight. This video shows surviving for 1 turn is possible.
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As expected; Lone Wolf.
As for spacing out; That already signals you know what's coming. Hence "having to take the insta-kill and reload", which I think is bad no matter how easy you can make it actually knowing this on subsequent runs.
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I admit that die-and-reload fights do feel frustrating. But splitting the party and getting Peace of Mind and +50% Fire resistance on two melee characters really helps a lot.
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As expected; Lone Wolf.
As for spacing out; That already signals you know what's coming. Hence "having to take the insta-kill and reload", which I think is bad no matter how easy you can make it actually knowing this on subsequent runs. Unless you are blind, you can see there is a big patch of fire where she is, which is very strongly hinting you are about to get smashed by some fire damage. If you even get to 50% fire resistance before the fight, you are taking 2.8 times less damage than I am, which is significantly less damage and makes the fight survivable regardless of lonewolf or not. This shows a toon with 0 preparation, doing the stupidest thing you can do going into the fight. Hell, you could even cast that fiery skin buff in polymorph which grants 100% fire resistance, that would make the fight completely cheesy.
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I had 50% firedamage on all the crew before trying the "if you're geared well, you'll make it just fine!" Infact the actual try, all I did was zap a +50% firepotion and got 107% on my warrior, who I then send in solo, with the rest of the team adding in once the nuke went off. But you can't tell me anyone would do that first they encounter it.
Anything more you tell me I should try that was already the case. I think we can already debunk the "If you're just geared properly you'll make the first hit without pre-knowledge".
Last edited by Hassat Hunter; 08/11/17 10:19 AM.
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I had 50% firedamage on all the crew before trying the "if you're geared well, you'll make it just fine!" Infact the actual try, all I did was zap a +50% firepotion and got 107% on my warrior, who I then send in solo, with the rest of the team adding in once the nuke went off. But you can't tell me anyone would do that first they encounter it.
Anything more you tell me I should try that was already the case. I think we can already debunk the "If you're just geared properly you'll make the first hit without pre-knowledge". Even if I had 1/3rd of my current HP in a non LW party, with 50% fire resist I would have survived. In case you don't realize, I definitely would have had more than 1/3rd of my current hp. I don't know if you struggle with basic maths or something, but 1.4/0.5= 2.8. Going into a fight you can clearly see involves fire with -40% fire resist is just asking to die.
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I just dropped Thunderstorm at her. Instastun and died in second turn. It was my Lone Wolf: Electric Warrior Fane playthrough (Like Thor, but with electric staff)
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