Almost all 2001 awards for best rpg had either arcanum or wizardry 8 winning.

Wizardry 8 is definitely one of my favorite games ever.

Both of those games are extremely slow moving and combat takes a long time and is strategic, like say fallout.

People not into the strategy combat part of crpgs probably dont like them.

Theyre both very well made games to say the least, probably on a lot of peoples best ever lists.