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LBane, Winterfox, please, just stop being so aggressive.
There are lots of different point of views. I do not think it is a good idea to press your personal opinion on others. By arguing, at least in such manner, you both will never convince each other. Why to waste time then?

Well said Egin. I wish they'd take their bloody arguments back to the BIS forums where people are actually anal enough to care.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />

On topic: I liked IWD and IWD2, DD, BG2 (never finished it though) and D2.
And I don't CARE if people think D2 is RPG or not.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Hmm .. , I agree that Morrowind was good, not good enough for me to get the expansion though, as I had the unfortunate problem of having played Daggerfall first, and in comparison (RPG wise ofcourse) DF is still the best free form RPG, you can create anyone, play anything anytime, there is just no end to the quests, sure they get a little monotative after playing it for 60+ hours or so, but you can play and really experience life as it is in Tamriel. (and ride a horse too)

DaggerFall was endless, wish I could find my copy.

and for the BEST CRPG ever, anything that I have played!!

I think the major problem with RPG players these days is most simply don't have the time to play. Take me for example: I'm happily single, make decent money, and I'm happily anti-social so I have oodles of free time. I play just about every RPG that comes out. In fact, there aren't enough RPGs for me to play. I spend weeks suffering waiting for the next one.

My point is this: They're all good and they're all different. I loved Morrowind, I found it's atmosphere quite engaging. I enjoyed Diablo even though it was IMHO somewhat shallow. I loved PS:T, DD, M&M, NWN, BG1&2, FF, Wizardry, etc., etc. They all have strengths and weaknesses. Not every game is for every player. There is no reason to shred any game because its not to your liking and in the same respect, none of them can claim to be the absolute best. I like them all, argue with that! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

And one other thing: RPG stands for role-playing game. That means you PLAY a ROLE of some sort. That doesn't ALWAYS mean you get to choose class, race, etc.

Quote " think the major problem with RPG players these days is most simply don't have the time to play." thats a shame. You have to make time for them and never give up. Also folowing on from the earlier point you made on the graphics of M&M 6, truly great games contain the greatest gameplay which engrosses you and then you can see passed the graphics. I have rerached this as i like to call it enlightenment it means you can appreciate games better and enjoy them even without high res and smooth filters or whatever. Thats to lord mallis. (dunno how to do quotes)

Also i never managed to play M&M 7 coz when i bought it it wouldnt install and kept saying that direct x had failed even though i have direct x 9.0 or something. any pointers? anyone? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />

I cant be bothered to check who it was who said Zelda the wind waker was good coz it aint it poo and nowhere as good as the ocorina of time.

I didn't say anything about the graphics, they were/are fine with me. My problem was I was always strapped for cash, but I still enjoyed the game. I recently played MM7 again. I think I had to go with software rendering and no special sound to get it to run in XP. Hope that helps!

Originally, I more or less came from the Adventures to role playing ... therefore a good roleplaying game is a) like an adventure and b) like a good book to me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

That's what I feel basically, but since roleplaying games are their own genre , things are shifted there a bit. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Why?

We were being relatively civil. Mostly, no insults were hurled. If we were going in for a mini-flamewar, I'd understand why you would want it to stop. Do simple disagreements bother you? Should we all just sing "LALALA can't we just all get along", be one happy family of sheep, and just have discussions all about how everyone should love and agree with one another?

I think the Winterfox/LBane discussion is civil enough. It always hard to tell what tones are being used with writing. It's not the friendliest conversation, but it's still interesting.

I think genres such as RPG, FPS, RTS, adventure, action, platform, etc. are all becoming far too intermingled to have any clearly defined boundries anymore. Almost every game has elements from two or more genres. Sure there are "true" or "pure" RPGs and FPSs, but they are becoming less and less common. Why? Because they're tired of the old and people want different challenges. I'd call Beyond Divinity an RPG because you can decide your fate in many places and take part in your character's development. It's an adventure as you are following a set path with predefined goals and solutions. It's an RTS with the handling of several characters at once in larger scale combat. It's not an FPS, not at all.

Games are evolving. Companies are after larger markets. Gamers want more options and experiences. Beyond Divinity is a child of RPG and adventure and RTS. It has elements of all three, but is ultimately larger than any one parent.

EDIT: I realise your conversation is about a number of different RPGs. I'm simply using Divinity as an example I can relate to.

I said it. And it is a good game. In my homble opinion its the best one I 've played, and others who have played it (namely family members) have agreed. Why don't you like it? the Graphics? I like them, show all games don't have to be relasitic, iTS A GAME!!!


edit, no problem with the winterfox etc debate/ just stating their opinions over best rpg's. (I think) .

HandEFood: Exactly. Thank you.

I've heard someone say that the RPG genre is stagnating, and in some measure, this is true. Most RPGs follow the sword-and-sorcery formula: be the chosen one, save the world, gather loot, kill monsters, solve FedEx quests, level up. More cyberpunk/sci-fi RPGs are cropping up, but those are far and few in the between. If mingling with other genres is what it takes for RPGs to grow, then why not? Very few games, nowadays, can claim to adhere to a strict genre label anymore. More and more RTS games, thanks largely to Warcraft III, are cloning each other and shoehorning RPG elements in. Some RPGs present simplified gameplay (KotOR) in order to cater to a larger audience (FPS people, for instance). Sound marketing plan, and it's not terribly detrimental to the game's integrity as a whole.

Besides, being a "true RPG" or not doesn't always directly affect a game's fun factor. ToEE is as old-school a RPG as you get, but even without bugs, it'd still be a dungeon-crawling bore to me. Awful writing, non-existent story, combat that eventually becomes quite dull. Curiously enough, ToEE is really just a tactical game with RPG icing, IMO. (I believe it won the last year's Gamespy "Old school RPG" award.)

I think that's it. A lot of RPGs have become tactical or strategy games, particularly turn based ones. It's about dealing the most damage or finding the right trick to defeat each foe. I certainly get this impression from any Final Fantasy game or clone. The skills in Beyond Divinity are heavily biased towards combat. That's one thing that sets pen and paper D&D (and other pen and paper games) apart from most other "RPGs" , the sheer amount of interaction and knowledge skills available.

Well said Egin. I wish they'd take their bloody arguments back to the BIS forums where people are actually anal enough to care.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />


We will not all agree and neither me or winterfox insulted eachother in anyway.Forums would have no point if we all agreed.The thing with rpg games, different people have different deffinitions of what rpg games are suppose to be, and my personal view will not reflect everyones.If i offended anyone i apologize.

Lionheart, anybody??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

Yea, relatively and mostly.
We could be a happy family loving each other. I don't see any problem with that.

As for your conversation, it looked like PST vs Morrowind fight. "My sand castle rocks and yours suck."

I asked you to stop it as I was affraid you both were close to starting insulting each other or even already started. It looked like you both were moving towards it as a train without breaks going downhill.

Sure all of us have our own opinions on different games, but we always can express our thoughts on games with respect to each other, right? No lambs here.

This is what I kept in mind interfering into your conversation Winterfox and Lbane.

Er, no. I don't think you spent very much time reading the posts; we argued, but reasonably enough, I would think. I did not jump up and down to defend PS:T -- in fact, I argued, generally, for the "linear" RPGs. If you took a few seconds, you might also have noticed that I argued against the attitude toward the label "true RPGs."



Let's execute people who look like they are going to commit homicide, too.



Oh, and we were, we were. I didn't find a single personal attack in LBane's posts. We did, however, attack each other's argument, and IMO, arguments are fair game. Just not the person.

It looked like it??I dont see the problem with debating. i didnt trash planescape nor did i say anyone would be stupid for liking it.Im starting to wonder if you ever belonged to any other forum.If you seen some of the stuff posted on 80 percent of the other forums, you would probably have a heart attack considering the way your reacting to this.

I agree that you shouldnt go as low as cussing someone out or disrespecting them,but you make me feel like i am in the 5th grade again, and i should watch every little thing i say when nothing either me or winterfox said was out of line.Freedom to express ones opinion is not against any law that i know of.I realize this is off topic but unless i swear at someone or totally disrespect someone, dont go telling us we cant express are opinions because, then your telling us this forum is pointless, and not everyone has to agree with everything. thats just the way it is and you need to deal with it.