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Originally Posted by Sordak
so "i dont like it".
then my answer is "Ok". Anything you cannot discribe is irrelevant.
and the other stuff is either also irrelevant because they wont make it RTWP or... kind of asinine.
Like the screenshake stuff that baldurs gate 1 and 2 also had. Sure its a matter of taste, btu its a matter of taste that the original handled in the same way


I'm sure they wont have RTwP because thats alot of work that needs to be done, I also dont think its their vision and they wouldnt want to make it even if they had the time and resources. But (and this is the essential part) people are still free to post their thoughts on these forums. I think thats the point actually, an insight for the devs from the fanbase.

But let me ask you this then, was your post relevant? Was it profound? You just keep posting "stop complaining" in every thread.

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The best part? No one would be mad (well no one with common sense at least) if this game would be named Baldur's Gate - Illithid Invasion or sth like that but no they had to play on fanbase expectations and hopes (also commercial reasons) and use 3 instead like it was some kind of continuation (not only storywise) of previous instalments...

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I do agree that people need to chill out it's still in it's pre alpha stage so if you lot are going to judge this game wait until it is fully finished first


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After the Adam Smith interview, I actually think the best title is "Baldur's Gate: Absolution" after the Cult of the Absolute that has arrived in Baldur's Gate.

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Originally Posted by kungfukappa
After the Adam Smith interview, I actually think the best title is "Baldur's Gate: Absolution" after the Cult of the Absolute that has arrived in Baldur's Gate.

I’m still perplexed why it matters so much, not that I dislike your suggestion were Larian operating with just a working title... but it IS going to be BG3. People reallllllly need to get over this. Sorry buddy.

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Originally Posted by Riandor
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After the Adam Smith interview, I actually think the best title is "Baldur's Gate: Absolution" after the Cult of the Absolute that has arrived in Baldur's Gate.

I’m still perplexed why it matters so much, not that I dislike your suggestion where Larian operating with just a working title... but it IS going to be BG3. People reallllllly need to get over this. Sorry buddy.


Yeah, and like I asked elsewhere ... Had the game come along exactly as the BG1&2 enthusiasts wanted (or imagine at least), but it was instead called "Baldur's Gate, Return to Faerun" instead of "Baldur's Gate 3," would they still be upset over the name?

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Larian may be the "most suitable" studio to develop a 5e DnD game, but going off that reveal, they are not the most suitable to make a faithful Baldur's Gate sequel...


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Originally Posted by H0RSE
Larian may be the "most suitable" studio to develop a 5e DnD game, but going off that reveal, they are not the most suitable to make a faithful Baldur's Gate sequel...


Your profile name is ironic, being that you're beating a dead one.

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Originally Posted by Riandor
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After the Adam Smith interview, I actually think the best title is "Baldur's Gate: Absolution" after the Cult of the Absolute that has arrived in Baldur's Gate.

I’m still perplexed why it matters so much, not that I dislike your suggestion were Larian operating with just a working title... but it IS going to be BG3. People reallllllly need to get over this. Sorry buddy.

Why is there always this "you need to get over it" as if I wasn't just stating an opinion that actually has no bearing on my acceptance or not?

Changing the name is the easiest and least expensive thing they can do to alleviate basically every one of the criticisms the game is currently facing.

As a fan, and as a human being, it is my universal right to have an opinion, and this forum is explicitly for the purpose of my expression of that opinion.

You are not required to like my opinion. Larian is not required to even acknowledge my opinion. But that isn't going to stop me from having or expressing it.

How about you "get over that" then, eh? edit: soory buddy.

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Originally Posted by kungfukappa
After the Adam Smith interview, I actually think the best title is "Baldur's Gate: Absolution" after the Cult of the Absolute that has arrived in Baldur's Gate.


I think since the Dead Three, Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul are involved it should be called "Baldur's Gate Three" or just "Baldur's Gate 3" cause it is fitting.

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Originally Posted by Riandor
but it IS going to be BG3. People reallllllly need to get over this.


It will probably have the name "Baldur's Gate 3", but whether it really will be a "Baldur's Gate 3" remains to be seen. I think no one "need to get over this". You don't have to comment negatively on the opinion of others, but you can argue factually.

It may not matter to some people what Larian Studios' next game is called, but others are very interested in a "Baldur's Gate" game, especially when it is announced as the third part.

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But when the game comes to how it looks/feels it is impossible to argue some kind of point because neither you or I are correct


If that's true (which it might be), then there is no point in bringing it up (what are the devs supposed to do with that?). But, despite of the abundance of rhetoric by posters like Delicieuxz, and because of the posts by members like ThreeL, kyrthorsen, and kungfukappa, it is becoming clearer to me what the unhappy people really want is a game like Pillars of Eternity or Pathfinder with the rules and lore of D&D. Would this not be a fair assessment?


I want the game to look more like Pillars and Pathfinder and less like DOS, yes. I also want the devs to make the game they want to make. My feedback here, constructive or otherwise, isnt necessarily to get people to change their minds. I just want to offer up a perspective that I'm clearly not alone in having.


In one hand I understand u wanting BG3 to look like Pathfinder and that is fine but in other hand why Pillars? 2D static art approach.. Why? Not that it matters coz to do that Larian would have to do a Major overhaul which would cost absurd amount of money so its wishful thinking in my opinion.. Best thing the Rtwp and Drak Camp Can do is yell to larian to death and get a bit darker art & story and rtwp mod tools so mod community can actually pull that off.

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After the Adam Smith interview, I actually think the best title is "Baldur's Gate: Absolution" after the Cult of the Absolute that has arrived in Baldur's Gate.


I think since the Dead Three, Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul are involved it should be called "Baldur's Gate Three" or just "Baldur's Gate 3" cause it is fitting.

True, but in the marketing world that is what is called "on the nose" meaning it is too much of an in your face type pun to make it worth selling.

It is called Baldur's Gate 3 to bank on the success of the Baldur's Gate franchise. There is no other reason. I would even argue that re-opening the Bhaal "can of worms" is a bad choice. Baldur's Gate is a campaign unto itself, and there is no reason why a new narrative won't be compelling, fresh, and enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by Emrikol
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Originally Posted by kungfukappa
After the Adam Smith interview, I actually think the best title is "Baldur's Gate: Absolution" after the Cult of the Absolute that has arrived in Baldur's Gate.

I’m still perplexed why it matters so much, not that I dislike your suggestion where Larian operating with just a working title... but it IS going to be BG3. People reallllllly need to get over this. Sorry buddy.


Yeah, and like I asked elsewhere ... Had the game come along exactly as the BG1&2 enthusiasts wanted (or imagine at least), but it was instead called "Baldur's Gate, Return to Faerun" instead of "Baldur's Gate 3," would they still be upset over the name?


A different name would have helped. Like -- Forgotten Realms: Rise of the Mindflayers. Or whatever.

As it stands it feels like the 5th edition game but not BG. (still not decided on this)

I'm still undecided, these are early days, I'll see if it actually feels like BG3 when I play it. It will come down to the quality of writing.

Right now it doesn't *look* infinity engine like and that's a problem. I wasn't entirely happy with the PoE engine but it did *look* a lot more like the infinity engine and I loved the PoE turn based mode.

Excited by:

Return to Faerun
Throwing random stuff
Hints of character development
Turn based! I always played BG in turn based mode. Pause. 2 seconds. Pause.


Not excited by:

Lack of hand painted backgrounds.
Skin -- I want to put my own portrait
Downplaying alignment. I want to play Chaotic Good, dammit.
Possibility that the intro could have the Chateu Irenicus flaw -- I don't want to slog through the same dungeon every time I replay.

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I'm adding my 2 cents. Mainly because I feel like I should say something on the Larian forums as my first post regarding Baldur's Gate 3.

It's disappointing to see a video game I grew up with not be treated with love and respect, not just the game itself but to the community that wishes to voice itself. This thread looks like a negative flame war. Anyone who voices their opinion gets pushed down and has a full mob mentality against it.That's the biggest shame of it: silencing the people who wish to say something.

I will say this, I don't enjoy Larian's Original Sin 1&2. I've tried, but it isn't my cup of taste - and there are people like that who exist and this should be fine. RTwP and Turn Based are oft compared to one another but it only seems that the only reason this is so is because of the inspiration of many games lies in tabletop. In the end, where the games draw inspiration from shouldn't actually matter so much as what the end product is. I enjoyed many RTwP because that's what I enjoyed and what I like. I didn't enjoy OS1&2 because Turn Based isn't to my taste due to speed and game flow but I'm totally respectable to those who do enjoy it. To my point: Turn Based is NOT better than RTwP - they are both equal: stronger and weaker in DIFFERENT ways.

To further this, Baldur's Gate 1&2 has already been established as an RTwP franchise and the grandfather of all video game PC cRPGs - games still draw strong inspiration from to this day. Yes, it has D&D roots, but as a product, it's end design comes first. Based on that information, I'm quite disappointed BG3 is not only an unnecessary sequel, whether narratively or in gameplay, but that this solution was just a simple title job.

I do hope you guys get a good game. Unfortunately Larian has lost a purchase and vote of confidence from me and I now doubt them as respectable developers.

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I disagree.

A different name would not have helped anyone but those wanting BFG3 to be a vision of what they expect a Baldur's Game to look like after 0 years of building it in their own minds.
Absolutely everyone has a right to express their opinions on all matters, I am sure Larian are grateful for the interest nad feedback regardless of the opinion and it is not as if Game titles haven't been modified close to release, but one thing usually always remains and thats the main Title.

So Whilst BG3 could turn into "BG3: Insert title here", WoTC & Larian have declared this IS BG3. If you're cynical you say it's bit of a cash grab, or if you're sensible ou understand the want of r commercial success by using one of their strongest names. Just look at the reaction all across the web, BG3 as a title has people talking!

Any other title just would not have had the same impact, it would have "just" been another RPG in a D&D universe.

I think there are plenty of aspects to this game that warrant discussion, request, criticism and whilst you can of course add the title of the game to that, that is the one thing that simply will not change, it cannot.

But yes of course, each to their own. The get over it was a little tongue in cheek, because if we all just accept this is BG3 and focus and providing feedback as to how it can be more like a Baldur's Gate game we want to play, vs asking for a different label so that my imagination isn't despoiled ;-)

And at any rate, should we not be voicing any anger in this regard at Wizards of The Coast? They were the ones who specifically chose and worked with over the course of 4 years to get to this point?!

For me I prefer to wait and see much more of the game before I declare how much BG this is or isn't for me personally and I really do say this as someone who only dabbled at DOS vs BG2 which to this day remains my favourite PC game ever.

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Absolutely everyone has a right to express their opinions on all matters

Quite. As long as they do so politely (and honestly).


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A different name would not have helped anyone but those wanting BFG3 to be a vision of what they expect a Baldur's Game to look like after 0 years of building it in their own minds.

I disagree with this. Simply because Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance exists. We all know it is a spin-off with different gameplay and storyline than that of the main BG series. This would have helped greatly with giving Larian their entry have more identity and respected the main series - having Baldur's Gate 3 as a direct sequel doesn't seem necessary at this point. It should not have been a numerical sequel because it resembles very little of the original games already.

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Just look at the reaction all across the web, BG3 as a title has people talking!

I disagree with this also. Anything Larian would have pumped out would have had people talking regardless - they've now made a name for themselves these days. Many people know this game it's own thing - so did it really need the BG3 moniker? It has deviated away both in gameplay and narrative (the dialogue choice being Larian's evident writing). The only reason people may talk about this more is due to controversy. People would have talked just as much if it was a differently named D&D turn based video game.

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Originally Posted by Riandor
I disagree.

A different name would not have helped anyone but those wanting BFG3 to be a vision of what they expect a Baldur's Game to look like after 0 years of building it in their own minds.
Absolutely everyone has a right to express their opinions on all matters, I am sure Larian are grateful for the interest nad feedback regardless of the opinion and it is not as if Game titles haven't been modified close to release, but one thing usually always remains and thats the main Title.

So Whilst BG3 could turn into "BG3: Insert title here", WoTC & Larian have declared this IS BG3. If you're cynical you say it's bit of a cash grab, or if you're sensible ou understand the want of r commercial success by using one of their strongest names. Just look at the reaction all across the web, BG3 as a title has people talking!

Any other title just would not have had the same impact, it would have "just" been another RPG in a D&D universe.

I think there are plenty of aspects to this game that warrant discussion, request, criticism and whilst you can of course add the title of the game to that, that is the one thing that simply will not change, it cannot.

But yes of course, each to their own. The get over it was a little tongue in cheek, because if we all just accept this is BG3 and focus and providing feedback as to how it can be more like a Baldur's Gate game we want to play, vs asking for a different label so that my imagination isn't despoiled ;-)

And at any rate, should we not be voicing any anger in this regard at Wizards of The Coast? They were the ones who specifically chose and worked with over the course of 4 years to get to this point?!

For me I prefer to wait and see much more of the game before I declare how much BG this is or isn't for me personally and I really do say this as someone who only dabbled at DOS vs BG2 which to this day remains my favourite PC game ever.


I also disagree smile

Poeple would have talk as much about the game with a name like "Baldur's Gate : ...", because it's still the returns of the name.
But no one would have talked so much about BG1 and BG2 and what this game HAVE to be, because the game wouldn't highlighted the fact IT IS THE THIRD.

You cannot be part of the legend if you choose a complete other way.
(and this is what it looks, not talking about the IE or the look of oldschool rpg games.. don't come again with that)

I think Larian didn't really realize the passion arround Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 and I finally think they had no other ambitions than creating a whole new D&D video game experience while using a legendary name.

I know lots of people are confident but I'm not. I was when I heard Larian took the game in its hands but I'm not anymore.

According to all things I read, I bet lots of players are not going to be happy even in those that are positive atm because the majority of things that made BG a unique experience won't be in BG3.
I fear BG3 is going to be the end of the legend. And I'm sad thinking of it.

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I'm quite sad about what is going on in this forum, this should be a nice place.
A place where players who WANT to look forward to this very promising title can come together
and discuss everything related, provide feedback and all the beautiful things on our minds.

This is a toxic mess. Luckily nobody is getting an exact copy of a 20 year old game.
Nobody is going to take away your BG1/2, it stays what is is and means to you forever.

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Absolutely everyone has a right to express their opinions on all matters [...]

That doesn't mean everyone should.

Just because someone doesn't like something doesn't mean that they have to make it bad for everyone else and behave often completely disrespectfully towards those who put lots of effort into this to became great, or those who just like it.

If someone feels entitled to be toxic and have the latest and greatest opinion on 'what BG is' just by 'liking BG1/2 so so much', I wonder why these particular individuals didn't became game developers, but be rude to those who actually did turn their passion into a job.

Please leave this place. Don't destroy this. Just ignore it, don't buy it. Leave quietly.
Don't behave like blatant as**oles for nothing, just because you don't get everything you want. Be mature.
There is enough really bad stuff going on in this world. Go be enraged over that and stand up for something good.

This is just meant to bring joy to many.

And none of you *one, two, many* who can't repeat often enough, how much you really don't like it, can change this very fact.
It's bad for you, bat you can't make it bad for me or anyone else who allow me to have spoken in their names too.


tl;dr: With well deserved faith in Larian I hereby proclaim that I am going to enjoy the hell out of this game, and I kindly ask to everyone
who definitely can't: Please leave this place quietly, I hope to see this become a creative and productive place soon.

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