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Welcome to a more clunky, less useful, turn-based system called real time w/ pause. May as well just be turn-based..Oh, it IS!Really? I mean... Oh, you  are right, according to the manual of Baldur's Gate: ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/wvBMGkG.png) Cool, now that we finally clarified, that, when it comes to combat, Baldur's Gate always was a 6-seconds-turn-based-game, while following the current D&D rules, and it will be again, now we can all look forward to the next adventure.  |  |  |  
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Well, the game will be released on Stadia, so I do not think it´s exactly PC market per se.
 
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What if making Diablo 4 turn based makes it better?Such a scenario is so implausible and absurd that it made me chuckle. The turn-based-only "I ❤️ slow combat" crew would obviously love that, but Diablo would fans would hate it and revolt. Rightly so too. Not to mention that a turn-based game could never sell over 30 million copies like Diablo 3 did. A turn-based has not and never will come even close to such figures. Bonus trivia: Diablo was originally a turn-based RPG, but the developers adopted a realtime combat system rather late in development.   https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Pokémon  Pokémon is turn-based and sold over 30 million. Just saying, a game can definitely be turn-based and sell well. I would argue instead that games such as Fallout 1, 2, Tactics, POE, DOS, etc. are more niche in general.  |  |  |  
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Welcome to a more clunky, less useful, turn-based system called real time w/ pause. May as well just be turn-based..Oh, it IS!Really? I mean... Oh, you  are right, according to the manual of Baldur's Gate: ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/wvBMGkG.png) Cool, now that we finally clarified, that, when it comes to combat, Baldur's Gate always was a 6-seconds-turn-based-game, while following the current D&D rules, and it will be again, now we can all look forward to the next adventure. Oh, it was always meant to be turn-based? Cool! So BG3 is actually a more pure form of what BG was always meant to be! Good to know! |  |  |  
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Glad to know it's being made for purists.  |  |  |  
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Not really, if you read now the D&D5 rules    "typical combat encounter is a clash between two sides, a flurry of weapon swings, feints, parries, footwork, and spellcasting. The game organizes the chaos of combat into a cycle of rounds and turns. A round represents about 6 seconds in the game world. During a round, each participant in a battle takes a turn." Maybe D&D5 is based on the mecanics of Baldur's Gate ?   
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Not really, if you read now the D&D5 rules    "typical combat encounter is a clash between two sides, a flurry of weapon swings, feints, parries, footwork, and spellcasting. The game organizes the chaos of combat into a cycle of rounds and turns. A round represents about 6 seconds in the game world. During a round, each participant in a battle takes a turn." Maybe D&D5 is based on the mecanics of Baldur's Gate ?   Sigh. D&D is turn based because the players could not all react fast enough to be in real time; they'd be shouting over eachother. So D&D is a turn-based system meant to mimic real-time combat. BG3 is using a..say it with me, children 'turn-based system meant to mimic real-time combat'. It's easier to use for many people, and more popular than the RTwP rage-machines would want anyone to believe. And D&D was created in 1974. Any, and indeed MOST, RPGs take something from it. From 'stats' to dice rolls.
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[Oh, it was always meant to be turn-based? Cool! So BG3 is actually a more pure form of what BG was always meant to be! Good to know!Yeah, indeed, and maybe... BG3 could actually be... good? oO |  |  |  
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I would like BG3 to inherit from BG1&2 but also evolve those elements. |  |  |  
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[Oh, it was always meant to be turn-based? Cool! So BG3 is actually a more pure form of what BG was always meant to be! Good to know!Yeah, indeed, and maybe... BG3 could actually be... good? oOI get the feeling you think I'm against BG3. I'm for BG3. I love D&D, and I love most every D&D computer game. I just don't really ken on RTwP. |  |  |  
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[Oh, it was always meant to be turn-based? Cool! So BG3 is actually a more pure form of what BG was always meant to be! Good to know!Yeah, indeed, and maybe... BG3 could actually be... good? oOI get the feeling you think I'm against BG3. I'm for BG3. I love D&D, and I love most every D&D computer game. I just don't really ken on RTwP.No, I was ironic with that post, I'm looking forward to BG3 too, and I'm a bit sad for the atmosphere that people create around it, not even giving it a chance sometimes.
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Not really, if you read now the D&D5 rules    "typical combat encounter is a clash between two sides, a flurry of weapon swings, feints, parries, footwork, and spellcasting. The game organizes the chaos of combat into a cycle of rounds and turns. A round represents about 6 seconds in the game world. During a round, each participant in a battle takes a turn." Maybe D&D5 is based on the mecanics of Baldur's Gate ?   Sigh. D&D is turn based because the players could not all react fast enough to be in real time; they'd be shouting over eachother. So D&D is a turn-based system meant to mimic real-time combat. BG3 is using a..say it with me, children 'turn-based system meant to mimic real-time combat'. It's easier to use for many people, and more popular than the RTwP rage-machines would want anyone to believe. And D&D was created in 1974. Any, and indeed MOST, RPGs take something from it. From 'stats' to dice rolls.So finally, Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 looks more like the philosophy / the feelings you should have playing D&D (according to the rules) but you obviously can't have arround a table   
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Not really, if you read now the D&D5 rules    "typical combat encounter is a clash between two sides, a flurry of weapon swings, feints, parries, footwork, and spellcasting. The game organizes the chaos of combat into a cycle of rounds and turns. A round represents about 6 seconds in the game world. During a round, each participant in a battle takes a turn." Maybe D&D5 is based on the mecanics of Baldur's Gate ?   Sigh. D&D is turn based because the players could not all react fast enough to be in real time; they'd be shouting over eachother. So D&D is a turn-based system meant to mimic real-time combat. BG3 is using a..say it with me, children 'turn-based system meant to mimic real-time combat'. It's easier to use for many people, and more popular than the RTwP rage-machines would want anyone to believe. And D&D was created in 1974. Any, and indeed MOST, RPGs take something from it. From 'stats' to dice rolls.So finally, Baldur's Gate looks more like the philosophy / the feelings you should have playing D&D (according to the rules) but you obviously can't have arround a table   And the reason D&D was turn-based was convenience. Which is what is going on with BG3; it's more accessable to a wider group and more in-line with how D&D plays. |  |  |  
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And for all we know that "wider group" may not even have the hardware required to play BG3 or Google Stadia or own a PC for that matter.  |  |  |  
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Philosophy of D&D VS the way D&D is played for convenience   |  |  |  
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 J'aime le fromage.
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