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Admittedly. But, I do give what I think are legitimate grounds for those assumptions. To put it differently, with the explosion of 3D rpgs around 1999, I suspect many rpg fans born after 88 wouldn't even give a game like BG the time of day; it very quickly looked archaic compared to the likes of Everquest. On the other side, by the time BG was released, those born before 82 likely had the pedestal reserved for something else (most likely D&D itself). BG just couldn't rival the substance of what came before it (D&D) nor the technology that quickly came after it (FF7, Everquest, Zelda Ocarina, Ultima 9).

Once again, if Wizards of the coast had wanted BG3 to look and feel like BG1&2, they would have hired Obsidian and not Larian Studios. Which tells a lot on what their expectations are for the game.

So, another entirely subjective criteria, then. People can not even agree on what the original games look like (see the grimdark discussions), and extrapolating 20 years from that is suppose to be useful?



I'm not sure you know what the word exact means.



How do you? At least changes and updates are a reasonable position for a pre-alpha build of the game where the save system hadn't been implemented yet.



Complete? Except of course the BG fans that have posted in various topics that they approve of the current direction, are ok with it, on the fence or would have done things differently but it isn't quite time to get the torches and pitchforks.

Also, given that it is literally impossible to please everyone, any features not to your particular preference does not mean you were ignored. The people making the game are gamers, and like any group have various preferences and opinions. With D:OS 1 and 2, various features and design decisions were debated internally before showing up in public sometimes to be echoed in forums, and points raised in forums have triggered internal debates. That will likely be the case when Early Access starts for BG3, as well.

That's what I said earlier, you are waiting a big new D&D video game.Not Baldur's Gate 3. You're a few that tend to confirm I'm right.

I add just a thing : Looking like is not (only) about visual thingd, please keep that in mind.

all we have seen so far is the pre alpha of Baldur's Gate 3 you can hardly make a judgment on a game when it is still in it's pre alpha stage

What looks like BG in the "general gameplay overview" we had ?

Quite; and as has been pointed out repeatedly. I'm still not entirely sure what BG is "supposed" to look like anyway, having only seen a tangential debate about whether or not it's supposed to be "grimdark", and not unreasonable observations that it's perhaps largely futile endeavour to try to transpose 20+ year old graphics to a different generation of games.

But at this point it seems to mostly be going round in circles with BG/DOS comparisons being little more than "yes it is/no it isn't".

This is how our discussion here started. It may be more productive to ask in the AMA, or wait for Early Access to see if the game is closer to what you are looking for.

Nearly each topics gave exemple on what it was in BG.

We dont know where the AMA will take place

Admittedly. But, I do give what I think are legitimate grounds for those assumptions. To put it differently, with the explosion of 3D rpgs around 1999, I suspect many rpg fans born after 88 wouldn't even give a game like BG the time of day; it very quickly looked archaic compared to the likes of Everquest. On the other side, by the time BG was released, those born before 82 likely had the pedestal reserved for something else (most likely D&D itself). BG just couldn't rival the substance of what came before it (D&D) nor the technology that quickly came after it (FF7, Everquest, Zelda Ocarina, Ultima 9).

Which in many cases there was disagreement about. That's why I referenced the grimdark debate. There was also discussion of whether the games were often silly and lighthearted or serious with occasional subtle humour, etc.



I'm pretty sure that'll be announced before it starts.

Which in many cases there was disagreement about. That's why I referenced the grimdark debate. There was also discussion of whether the games were often silly and lighthearted or serious with occasional subtle humour, etc.

I think the main issue was, that people did not feel, that the game has enough similarities with the Baldur s Gate series.
Of course a lot of things will change, but based on the demo people are not, that convinced about that.
After this people, became overly demanding, like me for similarities.... xD xD

If they would have seen a bit some more smaller or some bigger resemblance to the original game, this would not be such a hot topic.
Not necessary for gameplay reasons, but for the reason to show the community, that the original BG
was just as big influence on the game as DAO.

Subjective stuffs was not on the demo like:
1) UI, spell/ability icons, inventory screen, or just bit less flashy/bass heavy divinity ability animations.
UI for artstyle, not necessary for size of UI.
2) BG and/or dnd items.
3) Travel between maps, or an art of concept of the world map.
4) Similar BG style music at menu screen.
5) Combat system totally different, which influence a lot of gameplay mechanism.
Related to animations for spells ect...
6) A huge skull symbol in front of the dungeon, which could have been connected to BG2 lore.
An abandoned temple/cript of bhaal, or
if the game would have started near to city like candelkeep, Athkatla, or some iconic area.
To remind people which game they play.
7) Meeting our main charismatic Villain in the beggining, like Saverok, Jon Irenicus.
8) Way of narrative, chapter introductions, were amazing, in BG, and it ages very-very well despite of its simplicity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBrn1PxPaQ0 - Chapter 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yWLf2lE1Os - Chapter 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvVMSUEvA68 - Chapter 6

I am not saying everything should be the same, I am saying, that if there would be more similarities to BG1&2,
this DOS2/3 vs BG3 debate would be less intense.

Of course the game looked amazing, interactions with companions were amazing and it will change a lot till release.

What should the game be renamed then? Baldur's Gate: Cash Grab? Baldur's Gate: Divinity Reboot? I'll be waiting for your reply, kyrthorsen.

Just in my close inner circle of 4 friends, we all like (especially me) BG and none of us have reached 30 yet.

Those are quite a lot of assumptions after all...

Boom!

You'll probably pleased Larian's fanbase, you'll probably please D&D fanbase... But I still never see any "only" BG video game fan that is happy wherever I read discussions about BG3.

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