Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - General BG3, DOS and the D&D rule-set

Of course they will, but it could be so easy to pleased everyone calling this game Baldur's Gate : The divinityve edition.
I like the suggestion.

Fanboy alert.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

I understand you mate, you work for Larian so you have to defend your company.

But saying its hard to please everyone is a bit two-faced. Larian's team is just taking the easy route and doing what they know how to do, a DOS game.

They are playing it "safe".

Nothing wrong with playing it "safe", but you choose to make a legendary title like BG3, and get the opportunity, then a bit more ambition is expected.

True, we shall see how they like it now when it looks like DOS1 and 2.

Yeah it would be better for everyone to just shut up and let the devs do what they want right?

The point of this is to let the devs know what we the fans want before the game comes out, imo.

We are the end-consumers after all, and you know that old saying: the customer is always right.

No, its actually pretty straightforward:

First, BG3 should not look like DOS1 and/or DOS2.

Second, BG3 should have its own visual identity, with "resemblance" to what has been seen in BG1 and 2.

Third, yes it should be grimdark, and no, don't see a problem with transposing a style of a game 20 years old (look what they did to DOOM for example)

Quite simple guidelines actually.

Thanks for waiting bro.

In its current "pre-alpha" state this game's title should be obvious:

Divinity: Original Sin 3 - D&D Edition.

Or maybe it should



Or not



I do

Point is, this is all opinion. Bigger issue is, though, there is good reason to suspect the opinions you state are held by no more than a tiny minority, whose satisfaction could easily be counterproductive and detrimental to the whole undertaking.

Well, that saying is not really true if it is meant as a carte blanche 'every (potential) customer is right', because every single customer and potential customer certainly can not be the person to decide what the product is or should be. That can in no way work.

Really? Someone listens to the devs and forms an opinion based in facts, so they are a fanboy?

As opposed to..what? Someone like you; screaming about a game not even half finished?

I'd rather be a fanboy instead of a miserable person screaming at game developers online because they're not making a multi-million dollar game to cater specifically to you.

As one famous philosopher once said: "Better are the opinions of the thoughtful and critical minority, then the fanboy zero-IQ masses".

But you are right in one thing - it would be detrimental for this DOS clone in case the devs start accepting some of the suggestions made here.

No it was not meant as a carte blanche.

It was said by a person that has a lot of gaming history and experience specifically within the fantasy rpg genre.

Aha, so when Swen said that the PC's jump like spider man because of tadpoles that is a fact.

But when some one like me points out some obvious things that can be seen in the gameplay demo - that that is just a miserable person screaming.

Well Eguzky, obviously you are are a very unbiased and objective person (just kidding, you are a fanboy).

Well, that is something that I have too. Over 30 years since I read LOTR for the first time as a little kid and over 30 years of gaming that has leaned a lot towards the fantasy and rpg games. And most of the things that you have listed and said from the posts I have seen is not what I agree with.

So, who's opinion of our two opinions is the one to listen to for Larian?

I don't understand why is so hard to understand people asking a game of a series to resemble the previous installments of said series,we must be crazy indeed and we are ''blinded by nostalgia'' and a ''minority''

First of all YOU saying we're a minority is also an opinion. Want to hear a fact instead of an opinion? A lot of people everywhere is complaining about the same things,I wonder why. And you can come and repeat the same ''There's no consensus on original bg fans opinions'' mantra,but is nothing more than something you tell yourselves to fell better,there has been a lot of feedback on how BG3 can resemble BG1 and 2 WITHOUT taking any crazy measures making the game appeal to everyone but you just choose to ignore it and keep repeating your same old mantras ''it looks like DOS3 and that's a good thing'' ''It's only pre-alpha'' ''You want the game to look like a 20 year old game'' and plenty of other nonsense.

And while I agree is on pre-alpha and some things are bound to change is PRECISELY why is the perfect moment to adress this,not 2 years from now when the game is complete and not undergoing any more changes,really,it's not that hard to understand.

The only thing you do with your unreasonable fanboyism is giving BG original fans more reasons to keep ''fighting'' for the improvement of a new installment of a well known series of games. In fact,I considered myself quite neutral,but seeing such refusal when BG1 and 2 are mentioned makes me feel that most defenders of BG3 are just fanbois with the only intent of play another DOS game and that makes me turn my back on neutrality in favor of old BG people.



None,because one of their goals is to appeal to new players outside the genre and that's why they want to make the game ''approachable for everyone'' (Their words,not mine) They're well aware of what DOS2 fans want and they've delivered that already.

I don't think it is a question of understanding why they would want it to resemble the originals; it is a question of why they would expect so many others to want it.



It's a reasonable explanation.



Do you think many people in their teens and 20s are clamoring for BG3 to look and play like a game that was made when or before they were born? Do you think the many people over 40 who already felt about something else (e.g D&D) the way you do about BG1&2 are clamoring for BG3 to look and play like something that was just another good game in the history of their RPG playing experience? Why on earth do you think you are anything but a minority?

No, I say you're screaming because of the tone of your posts, from demanding the devs get to work, or do this, or do that, to using 'fanboy' as an insult.

You're a troll who's doing nothing but insulting anyone who disagrees with him. Nothing you do is constructive, because you don't want to listen to any opposing views. You dismiss them as 'fanboys' so you can keep telling yourself that these 'fanboys' will just say anything to defend Larian, and therefor will never say anything you need to listen to.

As a follow up, what's wrong with being a fanboy of Larian exactly? They delivered some gems in recent years. Why wouldn't we? Just like CDPR, they've proven countless times they could be trusted on consumer friendly policies and their last games are good. I would back them again any time.

So we like their games, we know them very well and I assume we are qualified to discuss whether their systems and mechanics are good or not. Because, well, we had hundreds if not thousands of hours testing their products.

And besides, as a D&D player and DM since 1987, I have no lessons to receive from people who think they know D&D better than me. So some folks are disappointed, fair enough. Just like I was with BG, BG2, Pillars of Eternity and the like being RTwP. And so it's maybe time, we, turn based lovers, enjoy some good D&D video game too.

There is nothing wrong with being a fanboy.

The problem is that people use the term to mean 'someone irrationally devoted to <x>', as a method of dismissing whoever it is, along with whatever argument they have or points that they made.
Mostly as a means to avoid being proven wrong; if they file someone away as 'fanboy', nothing they say is valid anymore. Therefor, any point the 'fanboy' made are no longer destroying their argument.

Well said. I've seen other ways folks do that, like being called an "incel". Some folks are intellectually lazy.