Originally Posted by Raze
Originally Posted by Maximuuus
Disagreement between who ? those waiting for a BG game, those waiting the new larian game, those waiting for the new D&D game.

BG1+2 fans, most or all of whom played and formed opinions of those games before BG3 was announced.
Sorting people into groups based on their opinions doesn't change the fact that there are differing opinions.


Originally Posted by Adgaroth
And you can come and repeat the same ''There's no consensus on original bg fans opinions'' mantra,but is nothing more than something you tell yourselves to fell better,there has been a lot of feedback on how BG3 can resemble BG1 and 2

There has been a lot of feedback, some people agree on some things, a lot of people agree on some things, but there is no universal consensus, unless you are defining away people who don't agree with you as not being BG fans.
I need no mantra; it would make my job easier if there was a clear consensus. Regardless, I'm not involved in the game design, so the only thing that effects is how precise the feedback collected is.


Originally Posted by Adgaroth
The only thing you do with your unreasonable fanboyism

When you were neutral, did you not see any 'unreasonable fanboyism' from BG fans?


Originally Posted by Adgaroth
seeing such refusal

What refusal, people disagreeing with opinions on the internet?


Of course everyone have his own oppinion, that's why we're individuals and not a collective mind,but even if some people want different combat mechanics or different color palet or whatever other thing said on this or other forum they all agree the game does not look like a BG game do they not? I see a 100% agreement on that.
If you know there's no universal consensus you should understand why is normal to have some disagreements even between BG fans.

Again,of course there's no universal consensus,that's the whole point xD and I'm not saying who is or who isn't a BG fan,but when the ''This looks like DOS3 and that's not a bad thing'' phrase exist I think we can safely say 90% of the people,fan or BG or not,don't see BG in this new BG game. And obviously I can safely say too that people who haven't played BG1 and 2 are not BG fans for obvious reasons so they don't care at all about it,and that would be fine,but I'm not fine with them coming here or other forums to pick fights with BG fans just because they want to recognise this game as a part of the series wich is a very reasonable thing, tell me why not if I'm wrong. (It's just an example but even with your eyes closed when you hear the music you hear DOS2,I'm preeetty sure Larian is using the same composer,wich is not bad,but he should try to do somethig a little bit different in my opinion,or maybe I'm wrong and it's not the same composer but then I wonder why I keep hearing DOS2 music)

And again (again) of course I saw and I SEE ''unreasonable fanboyism'' from BG fans, every product has its fanboys, but I think it's not that hard to recognise the demands of fanboys and ''normal fans'' (Just for the sake of differentiate groups,I don't even consider myself a fan of BG1) are very diferent. When one person ask for a change of the engine and other ask for voiced spellcasting and assets that resemble BG1 and 2 I think the line is pretty clear.

What refusal you ask. The refusal of having the game resemble its predecesor without putting at risk Swen/Larian vision for the game. I cannot be more clear.

I know they have a clear view of what they want the game to be and I know they want it to be THEIR game (I'm not in their mind so I don't know exactly what they want) but if a few visual changes (and some other things people is asking for) are in conflict with their overall idea of the game it has to be a very shallow idea (and I don't think that's the case for the record and that's precisely why I don't understand said refusal)


Originally Posted by Madscientits
This discussion reminds me a lot of the monk companion quest in Pillars of Eternity1.

Many players do not seek to experience a good RPG.
The seek to have the same impressive experience they had when playing BG for the first time ages ago.
They are doomed to fail, because they are different people now. The fact that they have played BG (and probably other games) have changed their feelings and opinions about those games since then.
No game will ever satisfy them because it feels different than the feeling they had when playing BG 20 years ago.

PS: I do not suggest to take the same kind of therapy as this char did.
He walks around completely stoned, the world is full of funny colors and he talks to animals, plants and ghosts. Quite a horror trip.


You're assuming way too much but feel free to keep trying to psychoanalyze people instead of actually reading what they say.

''Many players do not seek to experience a good RPG.'' Seriously?
''The seek to have the same impressive experience they had when playing BG for the first time ages ago.'' Or they simply expect a new game of the series that resembles said series,nothing wrong with that.
''They are doomed to fail, because they are different people now. The fact that they have played BG (and probably other games) have changed their feelings and opinions about those games since then.'' Weird that you know better than themselves the kind of people they were and the kind of people they're now. And what about the people that still play BG,are they the same they were now?have they change? I really need your insight here.
''No game will ever satisfy them because it feels different than the feeling they had when playing BG 20 years ago.'' It's nothing more than your opinion wich is far from the truth but neither of us can prove it.

Last edited by Adgaroth; 10/03/20 02:10 PM.