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Yeah, I know the one, they've been doing the same for years. It's the sort of place that I'm in no hurry to visit...

I thought forum is a place to share ones thoughts on the subject? Like impression of BG3 and likes/dislikes based on what one seen, backed with knowledge of Larian's previous works?

Sadly that's not the case for a lot of the people on the pro side in this forum. Usually the argument from them is some variant of "you can't judge the game/how dare you judge the game" or moving the goalposts (you must wait until gameplay is revealed/early access/game is released/10 years have gone by since game was released).

I disagree. The time to judge the product is before they sell it to me. In most cases, there is no refund if I buy the game to judge it and don't like it. I will judge it before I spend my hard-earned money. That means with what I see. Or a Free demo if any.

I disagree. The time to judge the product is before they sell it to me. In most cases, there is no refund if I buy the game to judge it and don't like it. I will judge it before I spend my hard-earned money. That means with what I see. Or a Free demo if any.

Or you watch videos of other people playing it. It's possible to judge a finished product without spending money, and it's unreasonable to say 'Your unfinished product does not stand up to what I expect a finished BG3 game to be'

But are you not judging the product before it is finished by saying you like it? You may not like it when it is finished. So your reasoning is flawed.

its not to troll people, its a deliberate campaign, this sorta stuff has worked before.

Essentialy you astroturf an opinion that is not backed up by the actual numbers.
To give an example in the BG3 sphere: the TB vs RTWP discussion always is dominated by people arguing n favor of RTWP, meanwhile even on 4chans /v/, a forum known for its contrarianism and its idolization of old video games and extreme intolerance of anyhting new, Turn Based wins the polls by a large margin.

The idea here is to give the impression of a majority opinion that doenst exist.
The goal is to change the developers course by implying that they alienate their fanbase.

This has been done quite ofthen. Another tactic is to write letters to sponsors or publishers.



so no, this isnt an effort to "troll" anyone.
its an effort to interfere with the development of a video game.

And they are saying that it's going in a direction they don't like.

Yeah, they are entitled to their opinion.
They can voice their opinion just like anyone else.

But once you start astroturfing that opinion and trying to trick developers into thinking its a much more popular opinion than it actually is, thats when you cross into the "not ok" territory.

Except no goalposts have been moved. It's perfectly reasonable to wait until the devs SELL YOU THE PRODUCT to judge it.
When they sell something, they are saying 'We are confident you will enjoy this.'

Judging before that is, as I have said before, like stating the eggs, flour & milk the chef pulled out looks nothing like the finished wedding cake; you're complaining before the product is even ready to be consumed.

This makes no sense at all I’m afraid. They’re showing it off this early precisely to get feedback. They’re even going the early access route - a team of 250 people - for this very reason. It seems to be exceedingly important to them what people think of the game at this stage. For that very reason it makes no sense to defend the game from people’s opinions. They want opinions.

Except many people are not giving opinions or feedback.
They're going HashTag-NotMyBG3 and making DEMANDS like 'Change The Name' or 'Remove the 3'.

That's not feedback; it's an overreaction that in no way helps the devs polish their game. You can say 'this sucks' but it's not constructive, and being angry it's not the game you (using a royal you; not YOU in specific) want is not useful feedback.

Saying 'the animations look stilted/silly' is feedback. Saying 'The spells don't look like they have oomph' is feedback. or 'The voice acting sounds a little flat' is feedback.

'Why is this BG3?' is not feedback. It's a complaint made by someone who's not going to enjoy the game unless the devs completely overhaul the entire thing.

To put it another way; I could go onto Modern Warfare's forums and complain that it's not a real FPS. But it's not feedback. It won't help the devs make the next one.

Except many people are not giving opinions or feedback.
They're going HashTag-NotMyBG3 and making DEMANDS like 'Change The Name' or 'Remove the 3'.

That's not feedback; it's an overreaction that in no way helps the devs polish their game. You can say 'this sucks' but it's not constructive, and being angry it's not the game you (using a royal you; not YOU in specific) want is not useful feedback.

Saying 'the animations look stilted/silly' is feedback. Saying 'The spells don't look like they have oomph' is feedback. or 'The voice acting sounds a little flat' is feedback.

'Why is this BG3?' is not feedback. It's a complaint made by someone who's not going to enjoy the game unless the devs completely overhaul the entire thing.

To put it another way; I could go onto Modern Warfare's forums and complain that it's not a real FPS. But it's not feedback. It won't help the devs make the next one.

I think the Larian devs will be intelligent enough to tell apart thoughtful or constructive comment from grumpy rants.

They can't please everyone in every way, but most feedback will likely be useful in at least highlighting where there may be aspects to consider. I don't expect any major changes, but where there are quality of life suggestions that are easy to implement, there is always a possibility they will adopt them. It is in their interest to have as many people as possible want to buy and play the game, after all.