>fallacies
Again with this. Fallacies in an internet debate are essentialy nothing more than namecaling.
You accuse me of running a different argument from you, which is a amazing considering that the argument ive been making in this thread predates yours.
Meanwhile instead of joining in the ongoing debate, you decide, with full confidence that the debate is irrelevant "much ado about nothing" and thn you choose to be condescending about it for good measure.
>Orcs and Drow are not personified Climate change
Oh are they not the boogeyman?
How are "always chaotic evil that comes from the underdark to steal people" not the definition of the boogeyman.
Sometimes a Chaotiv Evil Humanoid is just a Chaotic Evil Humanoid specifically made so there is a boogeyman you can fight without getting into ideas that dont fit the narrative created such as "territory disputes" "prisoners of war" or "diplomacy" which you have to do if you want to portray conflicts with humans.
Hence why im saying, they are the boogeyman, im gonna use that term now if you find it less offensive or fallacious.
My argument was that you can use a boogeyman as a stand in for another issue. They are a tool to be used. This argument obviously trancended Forgotten Realms. This should in theory not be a problem to you since you went on to the tolkien debate.
So if you want to ignore that, the core Idea can be summarized as:
The Orc and the Drow exists because it is not Human.
If a Conflict against the Drow should carry the same ramifications as does the conflict with Humans, wed use Humans instead. Theres plenty of villainous nations and wizards around in FR.
Which is the point you still somehow do not adress, because its the point of this very thread.
> much ado about nothing
And thats where youre wrong.
Whats happening is that a narrative element is beeing removed.
And the reason is the simmilarity between the Orc and the Human. As in, they both use tools, they both speak languages, they both have armies.
The distinciton between Orc and Human beeing that one of them is capeable of Evil, while one is Evil by default but perhaps capeable of good.
It is not "much ado about nothing" because WOTC is removing this lable from all those races where this specific scenario can be played out.
Yes illithids are pure evil. Illithids also dont make armies.
Illithids dont work in the same way Orcs do.
Meanwhile Humans already exist.
Removing alwas chaotic evil races decreases the ammount of narrative freedom a writer, a quest designer, a DM that wants to stick to the lore has, meanwhile nothing is gained.
the possibility of good orcs and good drow was always there. Now only it is no longer an aspiraitonal thing or a specific backstory.
The Nuance has been reduced rather than increased.
>Wokeness and Sven
well, unlike you ive been following Larian for a while so i can answer your question that you didnt think id give you an aswer to: no.
Watch the Interviews of Dragon Commander, or go read the Deviantart Blog Post of the Larian artist when Steam had them remove the Original Sin 1 box art.
So no. Not much ado about nothing.
>i was on point
in replying to someone who compared it to tolkien?
your entire post chain here is a reply to one side argument made to further a different argument, made by a different person.
You dont get to decide who or what is or isnt on point.
Hence your accusation of a fallacy is incorrect.
