Originally Posted by Wormerine
Originally Posted by _Vic_

I understand you want the new game to have strong ties to a game and a story you like, but to be fair games where you are playing the same main character and takes place at roughly the same time of past games and somewhat continues the same story are a rarity.

Oh don’t get me wrong. My disagreement is purely ideological. I definitely don’t want anyone to touch BG saga. I think it would be very difficult to try to recreate style of those games. Didn’t play Dragonspeare but I hear it didn’t work out so well. Bhaalspawn saga is finished and let it sleep. I had not interest in BG3, and Larian being revealed as people who make it actually got my curiosity.

BG3 as it is being made is the one I can get behind (or rather remain fairly indifferent about until I won’t be able to say I am fan of BG games without adding a lengthy clarification regarding my respect and lack of interest in Larian multiplayer RPG design) , because from what I have seen it’s Larian DND RPG, not attempt to dig out BG out of its grave. Which is fine.

But claiming that one shouldn’t criticise BG3 based on expectations they took on themselves is ridiculous IMO.

See Obsidian. They did PoE1&2, now they are doing Avowed, in the same universe. Avowed is not called PoE3, not even PoE: Avowed. Therefore, I have no expectations as to what Avowed will be.

Very well-said. I agree completely. Wish this forum came with "like"/"agree" buttons.
Originally Posted by Sven_
Originally Posted by kanisatha
It is also disingenuous to claim that the only way a person can comment on the game is by first playing the game. That's very convenient. Even if I end up hating the game, Larian gets my money, and also gets to count me as a "fan" in their sales numbers.


In this age of a thousand streamers and Let's Players nobody has to play anything.

Yes, precisely. Even if I do decide to try this game, it will be some years down the road when the price is right in correspondence with a combat system I will hate. But that doesn't mean I cannot critique the game in the present based on information I can readily access from various sources.
Originally Posted by Wormerine
I hate beating a dead horse, by my personal concern is Larian’s coop-centric design. Due to personal preferences I don’t mind at all BG3 being turn-based, but that is not that I didn’t like in D:OS2. I didn’t like the quest design, map design, narrative design, weak companions and constant feeling like I am playing a multiplayer game by myself. One can easily point out to similarities between D:OS2 and BG3, like a origins, which for now I don’t like as a concept.

Again, I couldn't agree more. And this concern I share, about the game's systems being designed for MP firstly and SP only secondarily is my #1 concern about the game.