Larian Studios Forums General Chat Chat (Anything) Larian tolerates hate speech against autism?

HI everyone, I apologize in advance for my bad english

I would never imagine I had to open such a kind of thread, but still here I am, astonished by the behavioiur of moderation in this forum.

If nothing change and nobody takes serious actions, I have to sadly say that Larian is resulting to be a company who permits and tolerate hate speech against autism in his forums.

Here, sintetically, the facts.

In the thread regarding italian localization there was some hot debate going on, when suddenly a user named Tuco said to every protester that they are autistic, meaning this like an insult, as he clarify better later ("I am making a battle against autism", he wrote in italian addressing as autistic all the people who disagree with him, thinking this was a proper insult to say).

I immediatly answer to him that this kind of speech was unappropriate. Some other people did too. A moderator shows up and temporary close the thread, reopening one hour later with a generale invite "to be polite".

But that was not enough for Tuco, because when another user told him that autism was not a correct way to address people as an insult, he confirm his hate speech with this exact words (this time he wrote in english, so everybody could understand his racism and discriminatory attitude):




So this kind and gentle sample of human neurotipic kind had to remark that he used the word "autism" just because autistic people is "obsessive compulsive", "whiny", "petty", "socially-stunted" etc.

But it is not over guys, because this gets way worse.

I am an asperger man, so I feel a little bit touched by the disgusting and false words spoken by this guy. So I said to him "what about if I tell you that I am diagnosed with asperger sindrome?".

I was expecting some apology (well, actually a moderator should stop that conversation and ban that guy waaay before that point, but ok, let's go on), but instead Mr, Tuco reply:



So, this answer came immediatly after he calls autistic people "petty" "whiny" "obsessive" "social stunted" etc etc.. all in a derogatory and higly insulting way.


Well, I just asked Raze, a self claim moderator (I refuse to think him as a person able to do that function), to ban him and/or cancel the hate speech content. Well, even Raze start a provoking, reason-avoiding, denialing apology of Mr. Tuco that is simply not possible to sintetize, because is something like a hundred lines of words full of foolishness and nonsense.

He started talking about "Free speech", using a lot of alt right sterotypes and avoiding the core of my arguments every single time, focalizing on diversionary aspects. Like we say in Italy, he started to "buttarla in caciara" in the worst way a moderator can do.


I want to know if this is the misconduct of a single moderator, or if the company LARIAN is actually endorsing and justifying the hate speech against autism, refusing to take actions against the publicatoin of hate speech messages.


I would like to have an explanation by someone. Thanks.

I also want to ask if hate speech against autism is legal in the country this forum is based (I assume it is Canada), because in the other thread some users said it is even not legal for their constitution.

So it could turns out that Raze is refusing to remove an illegal content from the forum, that would be something that aggravate this "free hate speech against autism" line hold by this forum.

I guess now I don't know if it is more important to take actions against Tuco's messages or against Raze's behaviour. I guess they are both censurable.

Here's a series of quotes of Raze's replies, to contextualize as you've conveniently refrained from telling both sides of the story to aid your own argument. These are to clarify what you refer to as provoking, reason-avoiding and denial. I will make sure to include some of your personal insults and offensive remarks as well, that you seem to have an issue with others using, but not yourself.

Your ill remarks that are either aggressive, insulting, or meaning ill on someone else:



This reads as both ill will and a threat.



Again, an ill-wish on someone else.



Every answer is human, if it was written by a human. You're insulting another person by denying their humanity. Women often experience this by sexual objectification. This behaviour isn't very much better.



Again with the insults. How does this help, and how does it make you any better, than anyone you have complaints about?





The following are Raze's responses to you in its entirety, that you deem provocative, reason-avoiding and 'denial'.













And lastly, an attempt to defuse the persistent wishes to continue beating a dead horse;





So I have one question:
How are you any better than how you describe Tuco?

Wonderful, here we have the guy from the other thread! The one who was defending Raze without even know what was the argument we was discussing!! You tought that we was discussing about discrimination of italian language and you post at least 3-4 comments, just because you want to be an attorney when you grow up i guess.

Look, taking sentencies without contestualizing is not a correct practise. But anyway, I ask to be banned too, even if the few actually insulting sentencies I wrote was after Raze keeps refusing to take actions, using provoking and actually stupid arguments. I don't know other words different than "stupid" to address his speech, and I described with arguments every aspect of that stupidity. So let me call with its name.

Anyway I did not pronounce any hate speech against minorities. Your attempt to make me seem the same as Tuco is pathetic and rambling. Express reasons with sarcasm, even rage, is not the same of pronouncing hate speech.

N.b. some of the sentencies you quote was not even insults. You have to study logic and semantics a looot more if you want to be able to speak with me. Sorry for being too sincere.

Ma é una presa in giro o cosa?

Dire che larian é stata scandalos in come ha gestito la questione, non é come insultare chi é autistico .

Che dei moderatori di un'azienda (che avrà dei responsabili delle comunicazioni) lo permettano é scandaloso . Ripeto iscrivetevi a un forum qualsiasi di qualsiasi azienda che sviluppa giochi o qualsiasi altra cosa e scrivete una cosa del genere su un handicap o qualsiasi altra cosa che infici su una categoria e non riuscirete a contare fino a 10 che arriva un ban grosso come una casa

Thanks pbrosio. This guy is just a troll, I look forward and wait for an official statement by someone who is entitled to speak. I answer to his stupid provocation just "for fun".

One thing to keep in mind is that Larian (or the moderator) aren’t legally responsible for what users post. And while their job includes stopping insults from being thrown around, it doesn’t include judging and punishing people. If said poster refrained from posting further insults then moderators job has been accomplished or not necessary in the first place. They are not there to force people to issue apologies to other users.

They have at least to remove the hate speech content.

This without considering that in every serious forum hold by decent companies (and normal moderators who doesnt troll users) this kind of behaviour result in a istant ban.
Here instead we had a hate speech troll who kept going even after moderators shows up. And after he insists, moderators did nothing.

So the management of this situation here is poor under every aspect we try to analize.

In short :

a) I support you in your denunciation of derogatory slurs, discrimination or terms that debase a group of people ;

b) It is about moderation : in this case, I think the individual should be moderated, not the entire thread where it occured ;

c) It is not about laws : hate speech laws are complex and require much graver wording than vague slurs. Hate speech or hate propaganda usually implies that a public communication is encouraging others to commit human right violations (including active discrimination for example) against a group of people.

Just grow up guys and stop starting threads irrelevant to the game. If I want to remain polite I would say it's annoying. Just start a new forum to discuss your politcal and ethical issues and leave us gamers with what matters to us: talking about the game.

Thanks.

I think you have to grow up if you think that only game matters. This is not a vague political debate. We are talking about a not punished/censored discrimination happened here in this forum, if you actually think I have to found another forum just to discuss what happens here... well, I want to stay polite too, so I let everyone's imagination complete my sentence about your nonsense reasoning.

a) thanks

b) I agree with you

c) obviously is a complex theme, I agree, if we talk about law. In fact I am not saying that he should be fined or sued or whatever implies the law, I am far away from that point. I just want him and his words to be moderated, like would have happened in every normal forum. Just that.

Thanks for your solidarity

So, nobody is answering this post, but "somebody" has moved it in a more invisible section.

I still wait for an official response from the company or someone entitled to speak, I won't stop writing here and elsewhere until I receive one.

The topic was moved to the chat forum because it has nothing to do with BG3.

You hating speech does not make it hate speech. The comments in question were a little rude, but hardly the worst of the topic, and the comparison to autism was inappropriate. He was told to stop, and stopped. It's over.

Non doveva essere chiesto ,doveva essere BANNATO comprende?

Mi stupiscono le tue risposte , non riesco a comprendere come sia composta larian che si suppone sia diventata ormai una software house abbastanza grande. come tale credo fortemente abbia delle regole e soprattutto abbiate qualcuno qualificato che gestisca la parte comunicazioni ed ho visto realtà decisamente più piccole essere moderate con molta più attenzione.

Sembra che tu sia un dilettante allo sbaraglio che prova a giustificare cose ingiustificabili e credo anche che se avesse rivolto il suo insulto in temi più scottanti (come le persone di colore) la questione avrebbe avuto risvolti più pesanti perché credo che questa moderazione sia fatta in modo personale più che professionale.
Aggiungo anche che se ti viene detto che sei stato poco professionale o incapace, non puoi permetterti di rispondere " anche questo sarebbe da moderate e bannare " suppongo tu sia un adulto e come tale che abbia la capacità di comprere tali situazioni ma sembra che tu sia facendo finta di non comprenderle.
Saluti

This thread has also nothing to do with *chat*, so you move from a wrong place to a wrong place with less visibility. Not a great work, just a cover-up.

You are simply lying. You are not able to judge this situation, because you are not honest about whats happening here. I want someone else from Larian to review the problem.

Otherwise i can assume that Larian endorse autism discrimination, and I am going to write and tell and shout this behaviour everywhere and to everyone I can. Your behaviour is stupid and ostile since the beginning. You shouldnt be a community moderator. It is astonishing that YOU are still managing this situation.

It is over if and when I decide is over. You have no power at all on me.

And by the way HE DID NOT STOP WHEN THE FIRST TIME HE WAS TOLD TO STOP. Your lies are easily checkable. You lie without any shame of yourself, it is so disgraceful for you.

..And if you think those comments was not the worst of the topic, can you tell me a worse comment than the ones who address all autistic people in a insulting way? I am curious to know which comment you judge worse: it can define what kind of person you are even better I guess, and I would like to expose this. So, whats the worst comment of that thread?

Anyway, again, I officially ask someone from Larian to speak about this situation.

Larian is endorsing hate speech against autism covering this with pathetics "free speech" and minimization arguments that are simply not acceptable and under the eyes of everyone.

Is this REALLY the position of Larian or just the actions of a "crazy horse"?

Roadmap of today: I will write to all Larian's official emails just signaling the problem and this thread, then wait a bit for an answer. Next step: other forums and media.

Oh look, Crybullying.

Dont get intimidated by this nonsense.